But, again, I will have to CLARIFY what are so-called "jewish rituals" and "jewish beliefs" EXACTLY?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pmToday I suppose anyone can self-identify as being Jewish if they wish to follow Jewish rituals and adhere to Jewish beliefs.Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:05 amWhat EXACTLY is even a "jew"?commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:01 pm
I just wanted to comment on your point that a person can choose their religion or religious beliefs.
I believe that in the early twentieth century a Jew was a person borne of two Jewish parents, who each were borne of two Jewish parents, and so on all the way back to the first ones who met this criteria.
For the most part there was no choice, only a fact of birth. Intermarriage and conversion were negligible sources of Jews.
Of course your remarks that religion can be a matter of choice is correct at the present time.
What does the word "jewish" even mean or refer to in the words "being jewish"?
LOOK AT these questions from the perspective that I am the MOST IGNORANT and STUPID one there is.
You used the words, "who met this criteria", so what is the EXACT 'criteria' for "being jewish"?
And, IF I could EVER narrow them down to some EXACT SAME 'thing' or 'things', does ANY one think or BELIEVE that there would be AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE by ALL?
If no, then what is 'it' EXACTLY, that makes one of 'you', human beings, "jewish"?
One day, slowly, some of 'you' WILL SEE thee ACTUAL POINT I am MAKING and POINTING OUT here.
Also, your very first word here is, "Today". So, 'when' EXACTLY did "being jewish" CHANGE, and could "being jewish" CHANGE AGAIN, on some other day?
And, when 'you', human beings, just STOP for a little while and just consider the 'criteria' 'you' "use", (or more correctly are meant to be using), for the 'names' and 'labels' 'you' place ON each other of 'you', human beings, then you WILL SEE just how 'loose' ALL of those terms REALLY ARE.
In fact, if ANY one considers the criteria for ANY of terms the definitions or criteria is SO LOOSE that they can NEVER be narrowed down NOR tightened up to ANY ACTUAL 'thing' AT ALL. ALL of those terms end up being essentially nothing more than, literally, just complete and utter MISNOMERS.
Were 'you' around prior to the year known as 1948?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pm I don’t use that definition or criteria when referencing Jews prior to 1948.
If yes, what definition or criteria did you reference back then, in those days?
Also, how could the EXACT SAME 'people' "themselves" BE DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY prior to a particular date?
The 'definitions' of 'things' can very easily CHANGE, over time, but how, EXACTLY, could a 'thing', itself, like 'people' for example, just CHANGE from one date to the next.
Also, do you find 'people' become CONFUSED when trying to understand your DIFFERING definitions and criteria when discussing/referencing so-called "jewish" 'people' prior to, and after, a particular date in history?
By whom, EXACTLY?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pm Traditionally, being Jewish was exclusively a characteristic of birth.
And, those two so-called "jewish parents" eventually go back to those two human beings who evolved into existence, in what is generally thought, in the days when this is being written, of as being the land called "africa", correct?commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pm The criteria was simply having two Jewish parents, each of two Jewish parents themselves, and so on.