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Veritas Aequitas
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Re: the value of philosophy

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:04 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:44 am

Meta is the repeatability of a phenomenon through a different context. It is the same thing expressed through variation.

If all is an hallucination then a higher reality results given a hallucination is the mirroring of some actual phenomenon.
As I had stated there is nothing to mirror about a hallucination.
A hallucination is merely activities in the brain.

The phenomenon itself is the meta-hallucination,
However what mirrors the phenomenon is the noumenon.
The noumenon is a sub-hallucination of the meta-hallucination.

Prove to me a higher reality exists as real beyond the meta-hallucination?
If you cannot prove it as real, then it is unreal.
1. Yet hallucinations are composed of images of already existing phenomenon, they are images seperated from the source much in the same manner the mirage of water is the image of water seperated from the source.
You still don't get it.
Hallucinations are merely activities in the brain.
A mirage is generally an empirical illusion within nature not in the human brain.

Generally a hallucination is based on what is already in the brain via nature or nurture.
2. If all is a hallucination then the activities of the brain are hallucinations as well.
Note the differentiation between meta-hallucination by all humans and typical hallucination by SOME humans.
Yes, the activities of the brain are also hallucinations but within meta-hallucination.
3. What constitutes proof?
If you want to prove the apple on the table is real, what do you need to do?
What is needed is to verify and justify the apple is real by seeing, touching, biting, smelling, etc. that justify to all concern it is a real apple.
A more credible proof would be subject the apple to scientific tests [physical, biological, genetics] to confirm it is an apple as defined scientifically.

If you insist whatever you claimed as beyond human is real, then do the above tests.
Eodnhoj7
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Re: the value of philosophy

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:57 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:04 am
As I had stated there is nothing to mirror about a hallucination.
A hallucination is merely activities in the brain.

The phenomenon itself is the meta-hallucination,
However what mirrors the phenomenon is the noumenon.
The noumenon is a sub-hallucination of the meta-hallucination.

Prove to me a higher reality exists as real beyond the meta-hallucination?
If you cannot prove it as real, then it is unreal.
1. Yet hallucinations are composed of images of already existing phenomenon, they are images seperated from the source much in the same manner the mirage of water is the image of water seperated from the source.
You still don't get it.
Hallucinations are merely activities in the brain.
A mirage is generally an empirical illusion within nature not in the human brain.

Generally a hallucination is based on what is already in the brain via nature or nurture.
2. If all is a hallucination then the activities of the brain are hallucinations as well.
Note the differentiation between meta-hallucination by all humans and typical hallucination by SOME humans.
Yes, the activities of the brain are also hallucinations but within meta-hallucination.
3. What constitutes proof?
If you want to prove the apple on the table is real, what do you need to do?
What is needed is to verify and justify the apple is real by seeing, touching, biting, smelling, etc. that justify to all concern it is a real apple.
A more credible proof would be subject the apple to scientific tests [physical, biological, genetics] to confirm it is an apple as defined scientifically.

If you insist whatever you claimed as beyond human is real, then do the above tests.
1. The empirical nature of an illusion is interpreted by the brain, an illusion is grounded in perception albeit an absence of correct perception yet perception none the less.

2. One hallucination inside another leads to a cycle of hallucinations with this cycle not being a hallucination in itself.

3. Being is sensed through the senses yet cannot be tested as existing or not. Being is above proof as it is what constitutes proof, ie proof "exists".
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