What do you understand by 'science' in this context?
It's just the ordinary stuff! If science makes the definite case for the soul, Atheists are likely to believe in the soul! I believe most Atheists are in agreement with science, but, of course, without any belief in the "supernatural" such as "ghosts", "souls", "Heaven" or "God".
Do you mean an objective ethical code/morality/application of meaning?
Yes! Ontologically, Ethics/Morals and Meaning exist in reality, undeniably, for the Religious believers, not for any psychological reasons! This must be clear!
When you mention "knowledge", it's a bit complicated and outside of this thread. It's my understanding that knowledge is knowledge for everyone, no matter what Religious beliefs you have, incl. Atheism. You should rather address the "leap of faith"!
Please don't assume selfishness and dogmatism to be qualities possessed only by those who do not believe in a god.
This is good, I don't! I find it striking
Can you tell me
the devotion of people who think they are mere biological organisms with limited time (Atehists, like it or not)
as opposed to
the devotion of people who think they are souls with nurturing duties of that to achieve rewards of infinity and "Heaven" or punishment of "Hell"
If you can get away with, not being caught by the police, a vicious act, I see two different mind-sets of the Atheist and the Religious.
Atheist: "Hah, I've gotten away with it!"
Religious: "Oh shit! I'm going to burn in "Hell" for this. My soul is shit!"
The scientific approach - the atheist approach - is one of doubt, of care, of scepticism but also of a fundamental equality of all people. Religion tells us to aim for something 'higher' and more 'pure' while science simply wants to gain a clearer understanding of what we already have.
The Western civilisation can still be regarded as very successful! Actually, it's the most successful we know about, of course, all the while being led by Christians. Incidentally, many are Christians even today, shaping unions like the EU and make agreements of ecological nature, also doing at least as much science as the Atheists do! I'm not certain about the ratio of Atheists/Religious scientists... It should be interesting to know what it is. Ascribing scientific approach to Atheism is unfair! What does science tell Atheists to behave like? You should supply definite
I've addressed the first claim in the previous paragraph. As for the second one (regarding the so-called war against terror), would you be willing to go on record as claiming that religion has played no part whatsoever in the US deployment of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? A nation in which, in order to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate, someone must demonstrate that they are Christian and that they attend church and you are claiming that there is something secular about the war on terror. Interesting.
I believe the war on terror is first and foremost political! The acts of terror threaten our security and whole chain of action is set underway! This is as much Atheist as Theist/Deist.
Yet this is indeed initiated by the malpracticing Muslims. Can we leave out the War on Terror, please? I don't know what to make out of it! Many nations take part in the prevention of new terror acts incl. the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan.
While an atheist will see something practically beneficial about not harming others, a religious person will come to see it as a means to something great. We can detect traces of the religious attitude in sports personalities, Wall Street bankers, film stars, entrepreneurs and soldiers - each wants to make their mark on life as an individual.
This should be good! This is my point too, the position of Atheism is fundamentally weaker in providing "support beam"/vesting incentives for Ethics/Morals and Meaning beyond being "mere biological organisms with limited time"!
These are three examples of a religious attempt at social darwinism. I would even go so far as to claim that anyone who believes in such a practice is themselves religious, even if they do not subscribe to a theistic belief system. An atheist would be critical of SD, as it would be unscientific to simply accept it.
I believe there haven't been any conscious attempts of SD, otherwise Christians should have won the world dominance or something. Quite the opposite, the Christian ideal is one of charity and hospitality. It's the Atheists who explain human made disasters as SD because it conforms to evolution within the Atheistic scientific ideal!
It's the Christians who first look it up in the Book to decide on a good course of action!
All is good, I withdraw on Hitler's Christianity! It should be clear that his practice, however, is not in accords with Christian teachings! Besides, WW2 is initiated on political grounds of reuniting Kaliningrad with the rest of Germany and so Hitler attacks Poland, GB declares war!
(This for now!)