seeds wrote:
Your inner-experience is composed of an ability to control an infinitely malleable substance that is capable of being formed into absolutely anything you can imagine or desire. Now if you don't think that meets the definition of being a “special power,” then I don’t know what does.
Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:33 am
1. It's not an infinite ability. Try to correctly imagine a 679 dimensional cube for example. Or try to imagine an infinitely big image. You can't.
Try to correctly imagine Graham's number. You can't, if you were able to, your head would collapse into a black hole.
etc.
I would go on and say we can't even imagine nondualism correctly, it's impossible.
I never said anything about having an “infinite ability.”
In the quote you cited, I clearly stated that your inner-experience is composed of an ability to control (as in willfully grasp and manipulate) an “infinitely malleable substance” that is capable of being formed into anything imaginable.
Again, that’s an “
infinitely malleable substance” being referenced, not an “infinite ability.”
Therefore, your response is a strawman.
seeds wrote:
I suggest that our thoughts and dreams are indeed showing us exactly how things “really are,” in that, again, they are composed of a substance that is capable of becoming anything imaginable – just like the substance that forms the universe.
We are talking about a nebulous and informationally-based substance whose transformation from “noumena” into “phenomena” seems to be dependent upon the participation of consciousness (both inwardly and outwardly).
Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:33 am
Well your suggestion is wrong. You also don't seem to understand what information is. Guess what, you will never find information independent of matter, because they are nondual. Matter and information are two conceptualizations of the same thing.
If you would spend a little less time proclaiming how wrong the rest of us are, and a little more time trying to understand the ideas being presented to you, then you would realize that the illustration of the laser hologram I uploaded earlier...
...actually supports your very own argument for the nondualistic nature of matter.
In the broken pieces of the photographic plate of the hologram, the information that underpins and delineates the phenomenal features of the three-dimensional objects, appears to exist in a state of interpenetrating “oneness” (as in nondual)...
...which of course is a simplistic metaphor for the suggested “entanglement” and “superpositioning” of reality (matter) at the subatomic level.
In which case, “matter and information” are indeed two conceptualizations (aspects) of the same thing.
However, the problem with your uncompromising (bull-headed) approach to nondualism lies in the non-verifiable assumption that there is no appreciable difference between the composition of quarks, electrons, and photons (things that are represented in the broken pieces of the hologram) and that of life, mind, and consciousness (things that are represented by the explicating lasers).
And it is that
non-resolved issue concerning the ultimate nature of matter and that of the ultimate nature of mind and consciousness that lies at the very heart of the so-called “hard problem.”
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