EchoesOfTheHorizon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:35 am
These threads are his schitzo ramblings. He gets an emotional high from the confrontation. I myself use basic rhetorical replies back, laced with basic humor and logical devices. It a basic form of pedagogy. He is a exceptionally slow learner, and quite repetitive, but got him to accept a few concepts central to debate over time.
Issue is, while it is atrocious how Trixie does it, everyone else does it as well, just isn't as obvious when you yourself do it. For example, let's say you SOAS have this outburst two days from now, or two weeks from now, or later on.... you would still challenge me on a ad hom basis for bothering to reply to Trixie's games. Problem is, you yourself would be doing the same thing. You just wouldn't identify with the behavor, and think your being annoyed and associating me with the cause is justified. Same goes with Trixie. That's schitzophrenia, even a sane person can exhibit the mental patterns of it. These sorts of people flood Internet forums.
The concept of logical fallacies are designed to negate certain patterns of thinking to avoid unreasonable paradox and absurdities from arising in discussions, as well as conclusions. As a Stoic, I know this too damn well, but also know it was always incredibly weak to assert it as the basis of a true philosophy. Each personality has it's favorites, and we project deficiencies upon others based on a general disregard for a reserve or a acceptance for a chain of thought.
Trixie obviously isn't as advanced as you are in philosophy, and you obviously are not as advanced as I am. Had you been as advanced as me, you would of known that in philosophy, it is usually the ones who know how things work, have to spend time with those that don't, and this involves more than a reasoned argument, but also explaining to the, the mechanics of how things works, literally opening up new ways of thinking they've never been exposed to before.
Trixie is limited, but can, I believe in time, expand. He has in small degrees since I've met him. In early Stoicism, under Zeno of Citrum, we made the crucial mistake of mocking and npbanishimg from Stoicism a certain Cynic who had ADD. That minor annoyance he had made up the greater bulk of his philosophy that survives today (Arius Didymus, Stoic Ethics). The medieval concept of the Dunce is derived from it, as well as the Holy Fool (was a cynic Christian practice). Today it has touched far too many aspects of our civilization. We've applied suppositions of useful and useless people, first developed then, to people in far later ages, such as George Bernard Shaw and Hitler advocating the death of people not belonging to the master race, degenerates.
It was a very minor mistake at first, but one that lasted several thousand years. So forgive me for being well read enough in history and philosophy, and cognizant enough of the original sin of my order, that I take time to work with those who are less able and experienced in philosophy. Know my scope and experience, as well as the varied background I have far outmatches already anything you can ever hope to achieve in your lifetime, and will surely on multiple occasions Show to you other facets of my character and abilities. With Trixie, and with most, a general comedic crudeness is all the preferred method, as it is the behavior that is the least intimidating, most inclusive and open, as well as exciting. Excitement is essential, as that's when our emotions are unified, and the mind most open. There is a method to my madness, and it is most sane and foreward thinking.
My recommendation to you is to consider the motivations of people who are annoying, and ask yourself why they differ from you. Ask yourself on a basis of a theory of mind, how they view you, and vice versa. Ask yourself about the mechanics of the rheoric being used in relation to the psychology they are displaying. If they are limited and repetitive, why so? Do they show the capacity for different responses, of adaptation and change?
Trixie does. He is compulsive and predictable. This is only the umpteenth time he has done a Madonna Whore like switchup, asking me to compare the aesthetics and form of people or situations, but so many damn philosophers do essentially this, some quite famous, that I don't really don't mind. Why should I treat the limited, compulsive ramblings of a genius any different from a compulsive schitzophrenic? Neither seem to be digging any deeper than the other on a similar issue, just in Trixie's case, it comes off as ignorant and offensive and malformed (because it is) while in Umburto Eco's case it is so amazing because he qualifies as a mainstream philosopher because he can write books.
Doesn't matter much to me either way. They both dig equally deep, and at a similar rate. I don't mind the labors and time spent getting Trixie up to speed, as I have to do it with everyone anyway. My great horror upon entering into philosophy, going to public debates was discovering just how limp minded and slow thinking most people are. It really bothered me for a long time. People with advanced degrees, experts.... nothing, I could run circles around them in thought. Realized I needed to substantially readjust my approach to philosophy. The people making the most mistakes tended to come to the cleverest of conclusions. The ones who bucked the trends. Trixie is very predictable, but also bucks the trend at times. Learning how he thinks has taught me a lot about how people think in general. Exploring how you think.... not going to be so interesting. I know, I know..... I don't know you, you have done some amazing things. You can see in my laziness in spelling and form you are already better..... you'll find out soon enough, a few times over it doesn't work that way with me. I'm messy and sloppy because I can afford to be, for a diamond is still amazing even when not polished.
So I will take my time with Trixie, or anyone for that matter, join in the games of Homo Ludens, talk like a pirate, and will annoy the hell out of people when they slowly realize I'm the most amazing, complex, and deep person they've ever met. I just prefer the whoppi cushion over pretending to appreciate Mozart in order to fit in to preconceptions of what qualifies as a philosopher. Etiquette and fitting into shallow mores isn't the crux that we should be aiming for. Abandoning those on the quest for philosophy isn't the ethic we should endorse.
Trixie is a flawed human, but no more so than you. He seeks out philosophy forums, and I will continue to associate with him, for I am a philosopher, and will try to make amends for a history full of neglect. Foucault's ship of fools never existed, but this does. I stand by my position, and hold the high ground in doing so.