Please, when dealing with the hoi polloi, all that's needed is their collective hot air to power my sails!Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:20 pmWe do pay attention, bob, how else would we be aware that you're not running on a full tank?bobevenson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:13 pm And please remember that anybody who doesn't pay attention to Bob the Baptist is automatically a crazy or simpleton.
The Second Coming of Christ.
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Well if you put it like that I daresay you'll be travelling at a fair rate of knots.bobevenson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:40 pm
Please, when dealing with the hoi polloi, all that's needed is their collective hot air to power my sails!
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Yeah! On a ship to nowhere.
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What do you mean by 'knowing' death here?Dontaskme wrote:In order to know that which is without beginning nor end - one first has to have knowledge of opposites birth and death. ...
So who are those I've buried?The death is a lie, you cannot die, that which appears to die was never born. You are true life without beginning nor end.
Make believe.What looks like dying is actually the second birth - the leaving through one door from the transition pupa stage into the fully fledged transformed state of Nondual Christ Consciousness.
And may well be turtles all the way down but the noumena is unknowable so I have no idea why you think you know all this stuff?Birth and Death are like the two sides of the same Nondual coin.The Body and Mind may be one within each other. Simultaneously the Body may create the Mind and Mind may create the Body in a Nondual stateless state. But, there may be a Proto-State beyond all existence which creates existence in it which can be liked to a darkened flame.
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Knowing the concept 'death' ..but not knowing 'death' literally, or directly, because no one has ever experienced the concept of death. In that no one has ever seen death. Same goes for birth, no one individual has ever witnessed their own birth...these things are concepts knowledge arising here now in YOU.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pmWhat do you mean by 'knowing' death here?Dontaskme wrote:In order to know that which is without beginning nor end - one first has to have knowledge of opposites birth and death. ...
You are not a concept, you are prior to the concept, and yet you appear to be the concept in the conception of you. I've explained this many times, and here I am explaining it again.
The death is a lie, you cannot die, that which appears to die was never born. You are true life without beginning nor end.
Those that are buried are ...Concepts/name-tags, identities....in other words nothing and everything aka infinite life going through it's endless cycle of apparent death and re-birth transforming from one state to another ..but not actually leaving or going nowhere, for there is only now.here being infinite life.
What looks like dying is actually the second birth - the leaving through one door from the transition pupa stage into the fully fledged transformed state of Nondual Christ Consciousness.
Yes, it's all History. His-Story. All coming from DEAD memories..appearing to be re-born IN THE EVER UNFOLDING NOW
Birth and Death are like the two sides of the same Nondual coin.The Body and Mind may be one within each other. Simultaneously the Body may create the Mind and Mind may create the Body in a Nondual stateless state. But, there may be a Proto-State beyond all existence which creates existence in it which can be liked to a darkened flame.
To imply something is unknowable is still a known concept, but to reach the place of the non-conceptual the ever present non-conceptual witness state of pure mind..the mind has to unhinge from every thought and concept, and not identify with them, but to watch them come and go without attaching to them, and when that happens, there is direct link to the emptiness in which those thoughts and concepts arise and fall... the mind can apparently do this, and by doing this can enter into the state of pure non-conceptual awareness...aka the stateless state. We do this every night when we fall asleep into dreamless state, so also, it can be done in waking state as well.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pmAnd may well be turtles all the way down but the noumena is unknowable so I have no idea why you think you know all this stuff?
The mind that appears to know itself as a person also knows itself as the emptiness in which the concept ''person'' arises.
So who is that appears to know all this stuff is quite simple ...knowledge knows, and knowledge appears from nothing. .....But, what can the mind do with nothing? ..it can't do anything with nothing, therefore mind makes 'everything up' and is how ''what you are'' becomes KNOWN...as NOTHING AND EVERYTHING.
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Because the fundamental nature of things is empty. Things can manifest in all their luminosity and un-obstructedness.
The finger that points to the sky is not the SKY. The idols of Religion are simply pointers to the ETERNAL TRUTH.
The signpost is not the destination, it is that which is pointing to the destination that is already here now, the problem is paying too much attention to the signpost while ignoring what it is pointing to.
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I've seen death as I've held dead things. You can't know this 'concept' 'death' as when you are dead there are no more concepts.Dontaskme wrote:Knowing the concept 'death' ..but not knowing 'death' literally, or directly, because no one has ever experienced the concept of death. In that no one has ever seen death. ...
Not really as I have it on good authority from my mother that I was born and I can give the same authority to my kids.Same goes for birth, no one individual has ever witnessed their own birth...these things are concepts knowledge arising here now in YOU.
And as I've explained to you the prior is the Body and this 'you' is a combination of memory and language.You are not a concept, you are prior to the concept, and yet you appear to be the concept in the conception of you. I've explained this many times, and here I am explaining it again. ...
What are being buried are dead bodies and so far we've never seen one re-birth nor any evidence of transformation in the whole history of the human race.Those that are buried are ...Concepts/name-tags, identities....in other words nothing and everything aka infinite life going through it's endless cycle of apparent death and re-birth transforming from one state to another ..but not actually leaving or going nowhere, for there is only now.here being infinite life.
I don't disagree that the past and history is something we can make now but fundamentally disagree that the past is not the past.Yes, it's all History. His-Story. All coming from DEAD memories..appearing to be re-born IN THE EVER UNFOLDING NOW
Yes and how do those who meditate achieve such a state, by training themselves over years to ignore the Body.To imply something is unknowable is still a known concept, but to reach the place of the non-conceptual the ever present non-conceptual witness state of pure mind..the mind has to unhinge from every thought and concept, and not identify with them, but to watch them come and go without attaching to them, and when that happens, there is direct link to the emptiness in which those thoughts and concepts arise and fall... the mind can apparently do this, and by doing this can enter into the state of pure non-conceptual awareness...aka the stateless state. We do this every night when we fall asleep into dreamless state, so also, it can be done in waking state as well. ...
But only by ignoring the Body in the first place.The mind that appears to know itself as a person also knows itself as the emptiness in which the concept ''person'' arises.
Knowledge doesn't appear from nothing, it comes from being a Body with senses and memory in an external world.So who is that appears to know all this stuff is quite simple ...knowledge knows, and knowledge appears from nothing. .....But, what can the mind do with nothing? ..it can't do anything with nothing, therefore mind makes 'everything up' and is how ''what you are'' becomes KNOWN...as NOTHING AND EVERYTHING. ...
Waffle. The fundamental nature of things is that we are a body with senses in an external world.Because the fundamental nature of things is empty. Things can manifest in all their luminosity and un-obstructedness.
Well dur! Why do you think we can point at it?The finger that points to the sky is not the SKY. ...
'The ETERNAL TRUTH', pray tell?The idols of Religion are simply pointers to the ETERNAL TRUTH.
Who doesn't know what a signpost points to?The signpost is not the destination, it is that which is pointing to the destination that is already here now, the problem is paying too much attention to the signpost while ignoring what it is pointing to. ...
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Knowledge is memory.
Who is remembering?
Recall or retrieval of memory refers to the subsequent re-accessing of events or information from the past, which have been previously encoded and stored in the brain. In common parlance, it is known as remembering.
The past present and future exist simultaneously all NOW
When UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness aka YOU knows sensation, consciousness /mind is born (re-membering)
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Is the Theory of Everything encrypted in the Bible? Where Science and Scripture Collide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqG9GAdovwk
All the answers are explained in this simple video.
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Depending what you mean by 'knowledge' but essentially, yes.Dontaskme wrote:Knowledge is memory. ...
The thing with the memory.Who is remembering?
I thought I said that?Recall or retrieval of memory refers to the subsequent re-accessing of events or information from the past, which have been previously encoded and stored in the brain. In common parlance, it is known as remembering..
How would you know this and how can you have a 'NOW' if the past, present and future are all now?The past present and future exist simultaneously all NOW
What is this 'UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness' when its at home?When UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness aka YOU knows sensation, consciousness /mind is born (re-membering)
No.Is the Theory of Everything encrypted in the Bible? ...
Apart from the Biblical nonsense quite an interesting video for once.Where Science and Scripture Collide
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All the answers are explained in this simple video.
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There goes that irony bird again.Conservatives like Bob are born without the irony gene.bobevenson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:13 pm And please remember that anybody who doesn't pay attention to Bob the Baptist is automatically a crazy or simpleton.
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The Second Coming is Jesus.
Is that a Mexican Porn Sequel?
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The rational approach:Hobbes' Choice wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:58 am The Second Coming is Jesus.
Is that a Mexican Porn Sequel?
Vile thug.
And there is no judgment in that label.
The label applies because many, many people in the world hold Jesus Christ in reverence.
That you are a vile thug is what you must be, by necessity.
If any judgment is made upon your condition, it is from the compassionate equanimity of knowing that you have no choice in action, e.g, what you write.
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No Harbal.
I called Hobbes a vile thug, and backed it up with rationality.
Therefore, I am the arbiter of defining the principle in play.
Therefore the principle is:
To knowingly defile is the action of a vile thug.
Christianity is ancillary to the principle.
Christianity is merely the object of the action.