Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 pm
ken wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:24 amIn one word, CHOICE. From the open Mind there is choice.
How do I activate the option of 'choice' within this open mind, in the same way as, say, flexing my fingers?
Well, flexing fingers comes from brain activity, whereas, having the option to choose comes from an open Mind. The way the Mind and the brain work are two completely different ways. Being two completely different things means that they can work in two completely opposite ways also.
You do not activate the option of choice. The choice option is ALWAYS on, in regards
to believe, or not to believe.
Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 pmYou appear to be under the distorted belief that you HAVE TO believe some thing. Choose to NOT have this belief, then you will KNOW the mechanism of choice.
In other words, if I 'know the mechanism of choice I will know the mechanism of choice'? Well that's great and all,
You do not have to know the mechanism of choice first, in order to make the choice to believe or not. But knowing that you have the choice to (choose to) believe or not, and by just making that choice, then you can work out what the actual mechanism is, all by yourself, and how it works.
The way I like to work is to guide you in how you can find answers all by yourself. How to find the 'mechanism' that you are talking about is by learning how to choose what to believe or not. How you do that is by just choosing. If you need to be taught how to choose whether to believe or not, then imagine how you would teach a child whether to believe some thing or not to believe at all. What would you tell them or how would you show them? Now teach yourself that. I do not know how to teach you how to choose some thing. Besides saying, Just do it, I do not what else I could say that could teach you how to make a decision.
Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 pmbut I'm trying to find out how there is one, because intuitively speaking, I don't feel I do choose to believe or disbelieve something
If you do not feel you can choose, then you are not very in tune with you.
Who or what do you think is controlling you, if you do not even feel that you can or do choose?
If you feel that you do not choose to make a choice, then who do you blame or say chooses? Do you also say or blame some thing else for EVERY other choice you make?
As an adult, if you do not take ownership of what choices you do choose, then who or what controls EVERY thing that
you do? Or, are you only in control of some of the things that you do?
Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 pmHowever, what you choose to believe comes from the brain. So, if you choose to believe some thing, then a functioning brain is needed.
So, why is it that you think someone who's being tortured can't just choose to believe pain simply doesn't exist?
When did I say that is what I think?
Any person can choose to believe whatever they want, if they are strong enough. But I have yet to find a person, which such a strong belief, to believe that pain simply does not exist. Even that person a couple of thousand years ago labeled jesus could not hang on long enough and just choose to believe that pain simply does not exist. Maybe if he did choose to believe that there was no pain, and was a bit tougher, and hung on a bit longer, then things might be a bit different now? (just some thing to think about).
Anyway, depending on the degree of pain some pain can simply be dismissed. What kind of torture where you thinking about here?
The torture i went through in schools and the "education system" was horrific and at times, dare I say it, "painfully" boring but I tried to believe that it was good for me. Well at least that is what was being told to me to believe. That belief, which I was trying to hold onto at the time, somewhat alleviated the torture and pain of schooling. Also, at that time if i believed that having bamboo spikes inserted and pushed up under my fingernails would have been less painful, then the pain of having to go through school probably would have been far more painful. So, how much pain i was actually going through could be seen to be more dependent upon what i was believing at the actual time of experiencing pain.
Children know the pain of torture, of being disciplined by parents, but they lessen, or endure, this pain by believing that it is doing them good. Just because that is what they are being told at the time. These children then grow up to be parents, and can then discipline their children the exact same way, which is now being seen as torture and pain by the new children, but the whole time believing that they are doing good because of the belief that "children need discipline". These parents now believe that being 'disciplined', which can be just another word for inflicting pain and thus torture, never did me any harm. Besides the fact that smacking or hitting a child, and telling them it is for their own good, causes pain and feels like torture to a small innocent child, it also inflicts the distorted belief that it does no harm, which when they grow up is the very belief that "justifies" to one self that it is all right to inflict pain onto others, in the name of 'discipline'.
There are different ways to look at torture and pain. Again, I would need to know what type of torture and pain that you are talking about before I could answer more accurately.
Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 pm I know I've asked you this question before, I'd just you like to elaborate again.
I do not recall you ever asking Me this question before, and if you like to refresh our memories where or when that was that would be very helpful indeed.
Anyhow, if the body is experiencing pain, then that is a true fact. A true fact does not need belief, nor need to be believed (nor disbelieved) anyway. Pain is just a signal that some thing is going on to the body. Pain
needs to be felt, or experienced, in order to work out what is going on in and/or around the body. These signals are like signposts and need to be recognized in order to help guide the body in how to move through life more safely.