How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:22 pm

Bob,

I didn't know you were a globalist.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:09 pm

The entire concept of citizenship for any country sucks to high heaven per the American Energy Party (AEP) and the Church of Ouzo!

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Post by uwot » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:40 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:09 pm
The entire concept of citizenship for any country sucks to high heaven per the American Energy Party (AEP) and the Church of Ouzo!
Reverend Bob, I'm confused. If citizenship sucks, why is it the American Energy Party?

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Post by davidm » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:57 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:12 pm
"Good god."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -illegals/

"Surprising how so many people in this forum simply have no idea what they are talking about."
:lol:

Citing Breitbart -- the exemplar of "fake news" -- automatically rules out wasting time responding to you further. Your primitive, caveman-like, thuggish avatar is quite apposite! Of course I also recall that you were the one who thought collapse and no-collapse metatheories of QM were the same thing, when of course they are the exact opposite.

Go play in traffic, you right-wing troll.

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:32 pm

Typical, transparent tactic, Dave...attack the source of the information without addressing the information.

Bottom line: the 'dreamers' did, and still do, have 'pathways' to citizenship, Dave.

Now, you can go back to suckin' on your bourbon, you communitarian dupe.









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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:54 pm

uwot wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:40 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:09 pm
The entire concept of citizenship for any country sucks to high heaven per the American Energy Party (AEP) and the Church of Ouzo!
Reverend Bob, I'm confused. If citizenship sucks, why is it the American Energy Party?
The word "American" merely signifies where the AEP started. It will, of course, be open to membership throughout the world in an adversarial relationship to non-AEP governments everywhere.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by Seleucus » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:08 pm

There is a reason why criminals are imprisoned and punished and not simply killed or deported. Who will absorb the debt otherwise?

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Post by Vendetta » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:56 pm

Seleucus wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:08 pm
There is a reason why criminals are imprisoned and punished and not simply killed or deported. Who will absorb the debt otherwise?
Isn't paying to imprison more people just creating more debt?

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by Seleucus » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:01 am

Vendetta wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:56 pm
Seleucus wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:08 pm
There is a reason why criminals are imprisoned and punished and not simply killed or deported. Who will absorb the debt otherwise?
Isn't paying to imprison more people just creating more debt?
You gotta pay the moral debt. You can't just commit a crime and not pay the price, just like you can't just get goods and services and not pay the price. I'm not saying moral debt is real, I'm saying there is a mechanism in society that is tabulating moral debt and needs to punish criminals for their crimes, hence, the idea of cheaply just deporting or stripping criminals of citizenship can't be done. I agree it might be a practical and logical solution too get rid of undesirable elements from a society, but the punishment of criminals in some way outlines the rightness of the values of a society, without suffering criminals suddenly there is no right and truth and justice and so on.

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Post by Arising_uk » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:16 am

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:12 pm
"Good god."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -illegals/

"Surprising how so many people in this forum simply have no idea what they are talking about."
But a green card isn't a right to stay? It's just a right to work, sensible unless you want these people not to pay tax.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:49 pm

No government has the right to tell somebody where he can live.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:28 pm

By defintion, a nation has an inside and an outside, it has a border, and -- absolutely -- a nation gets to decides who crosses that border and how they cross it.

You wanna abandon the nation model in favor of a borderless one, that's your choice, but we ain't there yet.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:45 pm

The AEP will change that.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:47 pm

Till then, things are what they are, Bob.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:03 pm

Hey, Rome wasn't built in a day!

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