Why is what is happening right now not reality. How would you describe it insteadken wrote:
What is happening right now IS NOT reality
And so when or where is reality actually happening if it is not happening right now
Why is what is happening right now not reality. How would you describe it insteadken wrote:
What is happening right now IS NOT reality
Living organisms KNOW how to live, what to do in order to function. People DO NOT know, because people only exist as an idea. Ideas are already part of the functioning that is this immediate knowing. The idea that there are ''people'' is an anthropomorphic addendum, they have no reality other than being an idea known by the only knowing there is. This immediate unknown KNOWING...ONE WITHOUT A SECOND.ken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:26 am
If you are trying to dispute what I said about how ken from birth was being prepared to be truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better so that ken would be able to listen to and thus find and discover what reality is and the Truth by them self, then I did NOT say ken came to life that way. I said, ken was being prepared to be that way. That preparation took some decades AFTER before ken's birth [ken's coming to life]. Their is a huge difference that I hope you have noticed.
However, if that is not what you were disputing/talking about, then what you said here could be in contradiction to what you have said previously about life just being 'what it is'. If Life IS 'what it is', then, in that sense, every one comes to life already prepared to know exactly how to act and be. They could NOT be any different. If, however, how one changes to act or be can and is obviously influenced by what they experience along the way. So, every body comes to life already prepared, genetically, to 'KNOW' exactly how to act and be. For example every body KNOWS to breath and to cry [be heard] in order to obtain the nutrients that they need to keep acting and being. They ALL do this instinctively, from an instinctively KNOWING.
''we'' and ''me'' implies separation, ''separate things'' have no existence, so any attempt by ''thing's'' that do not exist to agree upon would be virtually impossible since that which does not exist cannot agree on anything.
ken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:26 amThe preparation WAS done, prior to the coming to life, by the ones that made that one come to life. The creating of the new one, which comes to life, IS the preparing. Within EVERY one there is a Thing already in there, creating Life, which is what IS actually driving the way that that one acts and bes. This Life is also the KNOWING. So, every one DOES come to life already prepared to KNOW exactly how to act or be, right?
Again, how this act/ing and be/ing changes throughout one's life, is another matter, related directly to the experiences along the way.
In terms of the ALL, nothing is known about that, the ALL is not an event.
It's a perspective arising in absolute truth.
From the perspective of one person, their life is unfolding according to their particular assigned experience and world view that they are meant to have for their evolution, and where ever they are, they cannot be anywhere other than that place, only that place is right for them.
And while the perspective of one player is playing, no other perspective is happening.
No, Ken cannot know that...Consciousness from the perspective of Ken, there is only Kens perspective playing. Ken has no idea what is happening from the perspective of another. Right now, here, only the perspective of Ken is known. It is not Ken that knows, it is the One Consciousness Knowing from the perspective of Ken as and through that particular bodymind mechanism. Bodymind mechanisms don't know anything, it's a machine.
Everything is happening simultaneously yes, known only to Consciousness one perspective at a time. And, not all perspectives are going to be the same. What is the same is the Consciousness that KNOWS ALL PERSPECTIVES as and when they arise in Consciousness.
Sharing, and agreeing to agree, or wanting and desire for reality to be a particular way, is always mind activity, it is a movement within the perfect brilliant stillness that is always here now ever shinning ever present.....Mind activity is always counter productive and is not how one reaches the place of peace and harmony. THE ALL is already that..but no one lives there.
YES, because I am still allowed to express what I perceive. Even if it may be totally wrong.
I did NOT reject what you have told Me, previously. I just gave My perspective of things, now.
I do NOT believe any thing here, to repeat. I just gave My perspective, that is all.
So, that I can better understand things, including whereabouts you are coming from.
You were NOT required to repeat to yourself to my perception, which obviously could be wrong anyway. You chose to.
I would never reject what a person perceives or sees, but I reject what I KNOW to be false and untrue.
Obviously what appears to be convoluted to one is not necessarily convoluted at all to another. And, what is far more obvious is the fact that usually what might appear to be convoluted to a reader/hearer IS NOT convoluted at all to the writer/talker. What is clear as crystal to Me is obviously as clear as mud to you.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 amAre you unable to see how convoluted this collection of statements is?ken wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:42 am> I have NEVER alluded to, let alone said, there is only ONE way
> I only KNOW of one way, but that in of itself does NOT mean there is ONLY one way.
> there can be as many ways as there are people
> IF there is a way that EVERYONE agrees with, then that is ONE WAY. But, even then, that does NOT mean there is ONLY one way.
> THE WAY that every person agrees with to reach and obtain the True and Right knowledge that will make life better for ALL people IS ONE way that is seen to be the BEST WAY.
> I DO NOT SEE ONLY ONE WAY, OKAY?
> I can ONLY share the one and ONLY way I see and know of.
By asking fucking clarifying questions. Obviously if you do NOT understand some thing, and, you REALLY did want to understand it, then you would do ALL you can to understand it. Very simple really.
Obviously I already have looked at them. If there is some thing that you are unclear of and want CLARITY on, then hopefully you KNOW what to do by NOW.
Yes. If what you are believe in, is NOT the truth, then you are obviously closed to the truth.
Yes, I changed to that way on purpose.
That depends on you being totally open and honest with us.
You guessed absolutely wrong. I changed your words to highlight the power of making assumptions, and how this can lead to wrong conclusions. And, as you have just nicely shown here for us it worked.
HOW and WHY is it supposedly meaningless?Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 amSo you're just making meaningless statements that support themselves?IF EVERY one is in agreement on one way being a true and right way, then that IS a 'true and right way'. This is obviously the case because there would be NO one saying that is it not a 'true and right way'. If EVERY one is in agreement, then there is obviously NO one disagreeing.
Just maybe because it is what helps in living in peace and harmony together.
Of course no one must return to or strive for. In fact the exact opposite is true. It is not about gaining for what one's own self wants. This is about gaining for what ALL young children want, before they adulterated, harmed and damaged. After all the fact is each adult one will be dead soon enough, and if they really do have a true desire to give the best for their children, then they will do for their children, and not for them self only.
You can speak for lacewing only. But please do NOT try to speak for Me. You will inevitably get it wrong.
Obviously.
And I have been saying all along that IT IS ALL perfect.
So, are you trying to now say that the ultimate answer IS that there are no ultimate answers or destination?
If that is what you believe, then so be it.
That IS already happening. The Universe, being ALL-THERE-IS, IS Creating Its Self, HERE and NOW. Always has been and always will BE.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 amI'm surprised you would say this. Because I thought you would agree that there is a level of being that can create spontaneously without thinking/knowledge. It's just instant creation of a very organic, innately symbiotic kind. Like-energy creating like-energy.to be able to create some thing, then I would say there has to be some kind of knowing of how to create it to be able to actually do it.
Yes and even more so when trying to do this for the first time the way that I am doing it here.
If we were ALL the EXACT same as you are trying to imply here, then there would NOT be as many differing perspectives with different ways to express those different perspectives as there obviously IS.
Ken has no ego, at all, in the sense that ken will be dead very soon anyway, so there is no thing that ken wants or is doing for itself. The Ego, that is within ken, which IS the same One that is in every thing is as I have explained is there. So, although ken might NOT be egotistical at all, the One within IS the Ego, Itself. Because this One IS EVERY thing, and therefore when It wants and does for Its Self, then It is wanting and doing for ALL THINGS equally. It is has the right to be and, in this sense, IS the Egotistical One.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 amSo, Ken the human has NO ego... but "the One" does? How does that work?If you knew ken in person, there is NO ego at all. The ONLY ego that is "slipping in" here is the One that is worthy of and deserving of Self-centred IS the One that wants to and does for ALL things. That is WHO I really and truly AM anyway.
That firmly or steadfastly fixed sense of the word 'intent' works perfectly.
Was it not just you who asserted, "There is nothing to "know" except that which we make-up."Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 amThis (in bold) sounds made-up.Just the inner drive, in ALL living things, to keep living and surviving, IS that Ego, 'intent' on driving us ALL. It KNOWS what IS, who we think we ARE and who we really ARE, and It also KNOWS what SHOULD BE also. In fact, this Ego, IS so full of Life and Energy that It is intent on making ALL things keep reproducing until an intelligent enough species evolves into existence so the Ego, Itself, can become truly KNOWN for what It truly Is.
The Ego, that I am talking about, is so strong and intent, within ALL people, that some people actually believe that every thing revolves around them. These people are unable to see that they are NOT the centre of the Universe, nor to even be able to contemplate that in the scheme of things that they are nothing. They have deceived, themselves. However, in saying that, because ALL people are as important as each other in order to be able to discover and learn the Truth of all things, this importance is some times misplaced into people, themselves, where in turn that they think that they more important than others are. The way things are, at any given point, IS naturally the way things are meant to be, which obviously has to include ALL people also, including some better known names that are absolutely detested and hated by some. Only the good can be known from the bad, the right from the false, and the correct from the incorrect. So, ALL things are needed.
When did I claim that the One does not KNOW?
It does not need to, but it is a wanting to. This intent to be recognized, accepted and known for WHO we really are is seen, felt, and known within ALL human beings, more so in human babies BEFORE they are deceived by older ones, and in turn, start deceiving themselves and others in the process.
This might "sound" religious to you because of your past experiences, you will see and perceive things the way that you do. THIS is certainly NOT religious in how it might appear to sound to you. NEVER has been and NEVER will be.
As I have suggested many times already. No thing else is needed, in the sense that you perceive that I am writing from. Of course there is a WANTING. But there certainly is NO thing else needed. If there was NO WANT nor DESIRE to be alive, be recognized, and be accepted for WHO I really AM. Then, just like you, we both would NOT be HERE trying express thee Self.
I have already said many times that it IS ALREADY perfect, just the 'way it is', in the sense that what has happened, and IS happening IS what is needed in order for human beings to learn and understand how to make life much better for themselves.
There is NO difference at all between human beings and all the other animals?
NOT all human beings are like that at all. Some of them actually KNOW that they do NOT exist forever, so they are NOT interested at all in having the 'what is in it for me' attitude. They are far more interested in making life better for ALL people, and therefore are not seeking at all to get things only for this one self.
The oldest survival instinct is to get what is actually needed. NOT to get what is just wanted. Two very distinct differences here. Human beings have learned to try to justify getting what one wants as being what one needs. This is another difference between human beings and all the other wild animals.
So, underneath the mask that you are exposing now lies the opposite face also, right?
If you can not see the difference between human beings and "your" cats, then you are NOT looking closely and/or correctly enough.
Who and/or what is this God you suggest human beings should trust by all means?
Just because dontaskme is out for that one ONLY, does NOT mean ALL others are also.
This brings us back to what 'reality' actually IS. Just let Me know when you want to have a discussion about 'reality'?
What is happening right now IS really happening but what is really happening right now is NOT reality because 'reality' relates to what is really wanted or desired, NOT what is really happening.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:17 amWhy is what is happening right now not reality. How would you describe it insteadken wrote:
What is happening right now IS NOT reality
When we are ALL living HOW we REALLY want to be living, that is when REALITY IS actually happening.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:17 amAnd so when or where is reality actually happening if it is not happening right now
True. And, that is WHY I wrote every body comes to life already prepared, genetically, to KNOW exactly how to act and be.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:12 amLiving organisms KNOW how to live, what to do in order to function.ken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:26 am
If you are trying to dispute what I said about how ken from birth was being prepared to be truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change for the better so that ken would be able to listen to and thus find and discover what reality is and the Truth by them self, then I did NOT say ken came to life that way. I said, ken was being prepared to be that way. That preparation took some decades AFTER before ken's birth [ken's coming to life]. Their is a huge difference that I hope you have noticed.
However, if that is not what you were disputing/talking about, then what you said here could be in contradiction to what you have said previously about life just being 'what it is'. If Life IS 'what it is', then, in that sense, every one comes to life already prepared to know exactly how to act and be. They could NOT be any different. If, however, how one changes to act or be can and is obviously influenced by what they experience along the way. So, every body comes to life already prepared, genetically, to 'KNOW' exactly how to act and be. For example every body KNOWS to breath and to cry [be heard] in order to obtain the nutrients that they need to keep acting and being. They ALL do this instinctively, from an instinctively KNOWING.
To WHO or WHAT is this one who has the idea that people only exist as an idea?
While you continue to insist the the immediate KNOWING is unknown, but you continue to resist providing any evidence that this is actually the case, does NOT help the one labeled 'dontaskme', whatever that 'dontaskme' may actually be, because according to dontaskme, 'dontaskme' is NOT even a person. To dontaskme people do NOT even exist.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:12 am Ideas are already part of the functioning that is this immediate knowing. The idea that there are ''people'' is an anthropomorphic addendum, they have no reality other than being an idea known by the only knowing there is. This immediate unknown KNOWING...ONE WITHOUT A SECOND.
If dontaskme is NOT here to discuss things and find agreement, then what dontaskme is really here is becoming more obvious all the time. What dontaskme says is the Truth and right, and any thing that does NOT agree with this is false and bullshit. Is this right dontaskme?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:34 am''we'' and ''me'' implies separation, ''separate things'' have no existence, so any attempt by ''thing's'' that do not exist to agree upon would be virtually impossible since that which does not exist cannot agree on anything.
''In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king'' the truth is silent, not something to be discussed. Silence isn't empty, it's full of answers.
Truth cannot be uttered.
Never the twain shall meet..it's a sticky tricky little mickey.
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WE CAN ALL KNOW TRUTH RIGHT NOW.
We do not have to sit around waiting for each other to make that agreement. It's what we are right now.
As long as there is the belief in separation the gap is impossible to close.
The gap is already closed.
A mind wanting to take a peek up it's own skirt, will not see anything up there except it's own BS ass.
The mind has to stay in total abeyance for truth to shine.
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Just because dontaskme says that the immediate KNOWING is not a "thing" KNOWN does NOT, and I repeat does NOT, mean that that IS true. dontaskme can NOT support nor prove this supposed "fact", so there is NOTHING to say it is even remotely close to the truth.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:51 amThis immediate KNOWING...is not a ''thing'' KNOWN.ken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:26 amThe preparation WAS done, prior to the coming to life, by the ones that made that one come to life. The creating of the new one, which comes to life, IS the preparing. Within EVERY one there is a Thing already in there, creating Life, which is what IS actually driving the way that that one acts and bes. This Life is also the KNOWING. So, every one DOES come to life already prepared to KNOW exactly how to act or be, right?
Again, how this act/ing and be/ing changes throughout one's life, is another matter, related directly to the experiences along the way.
If the KNOWN, as you suggest is NOT a thing, then that would imply It does NOT even exist. Is that right? If not, then explain HOW a 'not a thing' could even exist?
I have disputed what you say here by saying that I do KNOW. I KNOW ALL meaningful things, including who AND what the immediate KNOWING IS. You have yet to ask clarifying questions in regards to this nor have you even began to challenge Me on this. This is because I KNOW dontaskme is NOT YET capable of doing so. Having and holding onto those beliefs, within that head, prevents dontaskme from doing any thing other than just repeating what it continually says and believes is true.
How many times do I have to explain to you what I am doing here before you remember? I am here telling you things like this so that I can learn how to express better.
But I am not necessarily nor trying to express any knowledge here. I just say say things to provoke responses, so that I can learn how to express better. A philosophy forum is obviously NOT the right place to share knowledge.
To learn how to express better and much more succinctly.
The word ‘reality’ is used to mean that something behaves conformably to its essential characteristic or notion. For example, we use the expression: ‘This is a real man’. Here the term does not merely mean outward and immediate existence: but rather that some existence agrees with its notion. In this sense, reality is not distinct from ideality.