Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pm
ken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pm
Fair enough. But what are you actually here for?
I'm never not here.
My apologies I obviously did not spell it out sufficiently enough. What are
you actually here IN THIS FORUM for?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmWhy are birds here?
Because of the same reason dontaskme is here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmBirds do not ask themselves why they are here.
How do you KNOW this?
i have absolutely no idea if they ask that or not, but going down this path is only attempting to divert from the question posed to you.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmWhy do birds chirp? ..no one knows, they just do.
'Chirping' might be a form of language for birds. But what has this got at all to do with the question that I asked you?
And again, this is just a diversion from My question.
Are you also aware that if you just answered the question
only, then we could move on much quicker. See I do KNOW all of what you are trying to explain. But until you accept that you are not doing such a great job of explaining this and only after you also stop believing that dontaskme has the 'real reality' knowledge, while at the same time insisting that other people have the false and illusory knowledge, then you will continue on the way you are now, and will NOT be able to learn how to better express what it is that you are really wanting to and desperately trying to express.
Back to the first answer dontaskme gave, this answer came from the Oneness. The I, that is the capital I, which is the united and collective One of all of us. That One is real, infinite, eternal and IS always HERE, NOW. Whereas, the one I asked you to speak from was 'you', which is the one labeled dontaskeme, which is just one of 'us' who are the separate ones and who have been given labels like dontaskme, ken, et cetera, or any other name given to the uniquely separate and different persons. Now these personal ones are the ones dontaskme refers to as the false ones. I am the only real One, which by the way does KNOW
what IS real. I also am the Knower of Who 'I' am, which is exact opposite of what dontaskme says is possible.
As I have already qualified, I am never not here. But dontaskme, ken, et cetera, were not always here. If you are prepared to question and challenge this, then dontaskme might actually learn more than what dontaskme thinks they know now.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pmSo, based on that logic, if 'you' are a person and you are reading My posts, then that means you are looking for some thing. You are seeking knowledge.
This, however, seems rather strange because to you knowledge is illusory, and why you are seeking that which is illusory only you could answer and explain.
Also, what is it that you are looking for?
Nothing.
But dontaskme was the very one who stated that "
If people are reading my posts or any posts ...it means they are looking for something...they are seeking knowledge."
Yet when dontaskme reads My posts, or any posts, that does NOT mean dontaskme is looking for some thing.
WHY is it on so many occasions that when dontaskme says others do things, yet when I clarify this with dontaskme that it is expressed in the way that dontaskme does not do it ONLY others do it.
Dontaskme made the very strong and absolute statement that
If people are reading any posts, then that means they are looking for some thing. Yet when I ask dontaskme, What is it that you are looking for? The answer given is "Nothing". Is dontaskme purposely trying to be very contradictory and extremely confusing? Or, is dontaskme just purely unsure of them self?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pm I'm looking for nothing, reading nothing, wanting nothing, sharing nothing, in fact nothing is really happening...it just appears as though it is.
Who and/or what is the 'I' that dontaskme says is doing (not doing) this?
Is dontaskme even remotely able to begin to describe or define who or what the 'I' actually IS?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmHere, there is just what's appearing, happening and not happening...including this...and your stuff too...like birds chirping.
One minute dontaskme says there is only oneness but now dontaskme uses the word "your", which indicates there is another or separatedeness. Is dontaskme able to clarify why they speak very much contradictory?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmThere is here...the seeker of knowledge, and then there is the one who is through with knowledge...sometimes, these two happen to cross paths in the attempt to show each other their opposite view points.
Is dontaskme at all able to define the difference between the seeker of knowledge from the one who is through with knowledge?
What does dontaskme actually mean when they use the word "through" here?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pmThe only thing in your posts that pisses me off is when you say absolute statements about others, especially when they are completely false.
You are false ...anyone who thinks they can cross over the horizon to reach the absolute is a fake.
After a 'you' has, in dontaskme language, "crossed over the horizon to reach the absolute", then they will discover, find, and KNOW
what IS, real and fake.
Dontaskme just needs to gain the disciple to be able to learn HOW to reach that KNOWING.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pmIs that real reality or illusory knowledge?
Who wants to know?
Is this just another one of those very "mature" responses you give when you are NOT able to back up and support what it is that you think you know?
Why did you just not answer the question?
By the way I ALREADY KNOW the answer. I just want to show others how and whereabouts when dontaskme is unable to clarify their own statements. Dontaskme speaks in such self-contradictory language that dontaskme is even baffled by what dontaskme says, and thus unable to answer the most simplest of questions.
The answer to dontaskme's question is
dontaskme wants to know because dontaskme says all knowledge is illusory so that means even dontaskme is unsure if what knowledge dontaskme "knows" is real or illusory.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pmOkay I will try to follow your advice. What is it that I am deluded about?
Don't follow what I know, follow your own knowing.
I did not say I would follow what dontaskme thinks they know. I said I will try to follow your advice, which means exactly what it says. What dontaskme says as advice IS very different from what dontaskme thinks, they know.
Once again dontaskme has contradicted them self.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmYou are deluded to think you can cross the horizon of knowledge into the unknown and know that.
How many times do I have to say and explain to you that just because you do NOT know some thing, then that does NOT mean others can not and/or do not already know that thing? What is unknown to you is NOT necessarily unknown to others. When are you ever going to understand that straight-forward, very simple FACT?
The fact IS I already KNOW what is unknown to dontaskme. Now dontaskme can either challenge that fact and prove Me wrong, or dontaskme can continue repeating and saying the exact things AND believing them to be true. But as we all KNOW just because a person believes some thing to be true that does not make it a fact.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:30 pmken wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 pmAlso, I am not sure how all the previous sentences of yours somehow are meant to logically follow on to form this last sentence of yours.
Stop trying to be someone...just be.
REMEMBER it is I who says I am able to answer the question Who am I? So, I KNOW who I am, and thus am not trying to be some one. I have already be-come and come to Be who I am.
It is dontaskme who does NOT know who they are, yet, and thus IS trying to be some thing, which they are NOT.