How about you ask me a question about God.Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:49 pmOkay, Fishy, you start and I"ll join in if I can be bothered.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:38 pmReally? Since I know God exists, how would you like to go 1 to 1 in debate with me and see who has a better grasp of logic?
A definition of Gd, and some implications that follow
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So you would be in favor of those like Plato and Plotinus being banned from a philosophy site since Plato referred to the Good and Plotinus to the One.Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:06 pmIn the context of philosophy it seems to me that if you believe there is a god it cannot help but be a fundamental influence on your views. How can someone like this have a meaningful discussion with someone lacking this influence. God people should talk among themselves and leave the rest of us to do the same.Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:27 pm So why discuss it? For example I don't care about fashion. If you begin a thread on men's fashion and argue about shirts and pants I wouldn't condemn it. If you want to argue stripes over dots it is OK with me. But even though you have no interest in the god question you feel compelled to condemn it. What makes you such a proponent of secular intolerance and so willing to condemn what you are closed to?
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I don't believe in God so how can I have any questions about him? Besides, you're the one that extended the invitation so it's up to you to say something first.
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Figured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
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I know you would love to think that I and others want to ban things here, there and everywhere but I don't believe in banning stuff. I'm just not interested in ancient Greeks whose names begin with P. Right or wrong I want to rely on my own thinking, not on that of some semi mythical character who lived way back in the mists of time.
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So, IOW, God makes us do everything that we do -- and then, after we die, if he had forced us to do bad things, he punishes us for doing those bad things that he forced us to do?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:38 pmFigured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
Or perhaps you don't believe in the Christian version of God.
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Shut up idiot. Where did i state that God make us do EVERYTHING?davidm wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:45 pmSo, IOW, God makes us do everything that we do -- and then, after we die, if he had forced us to do bad things, he punishes us for doing those bad things that he forced us to do?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:38 pm Figured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
Or perhaps you don't believe in the Christian version of God.
Twat.
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What the hell has this tripe got to do with logic, oh fishy one?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:38 pm Figured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
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You said it right here, twat:attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:47 pmShut up idiot. Where did i state that God make us do EVERYTHING?davidm wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:45 pmSo, IOW, God makes us do everything that we do -- and then, after we die, if he had forced us to do bad things, he punishes us for doing those bad things that he forced us to do?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:38 pm Figured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
Or perhaps you don't believe in the Christian version of God.
Twat.
Now maybe your only recourse is to point to the conditional nature of these stupid statements: If he wants you to, yada yada. Well, which is it? Does he want to make you do stuff, or not? And how would you know anyway?We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
BTW, calling a stranger on the internet who asked you a reasonable question about something you clearly stated an "idiot" and a "twat" -- is that an example of what we would call overflowing Christian charity?
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You're supposed to debate - perhaps a good start would be to ask how i know this, then you can work your way to refute my logic. I'm not doing myself any favours here...truthfully, i give less than a nat's shite what you believe, but it pisses me off when ignorant people claim to be more rational than me.Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:52 pmWhat the hell has this tripe got to do with logic, oh fishy one?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:38 pm Figured that might be a response. God permeates ALL reality. That includes all matter, including your brain and body. The power of this entity is greater than even I ever believed. We can be robots for it. Meaning, if it wants you to walk to a point in space and time, you will, and all along believing it was your own will and intent, to walk and stop. In other words, if it wants YOU to have a particular destiny... then you WILL have that destiny, and all along, you will have thought it was just the random nature of reality and your own free will.
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Fuck Christian charity. I suffered more than Christ courtesy of God. ...and yes i remain a Christian. You are a twat because you claimed i made a statement that God controls ALL our will, which clearly i didn't.
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"Fuck Christian charity" ... "I remain a Christian."
And a good poster boy for it!
And a good poster boy for it!
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Okay, I'll give it a shot. How do you know this?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:57 pm
You're supposed to debate - perhaps a good start would be to ask how i know this,
Come on then, hit me with the logic.then you can work your way to refute my logic.
Well you're not doing me any.I'm not doing myself any favours here
That's fine with me, "nat's shite" is something I have no use for. I do suspect, however, that you would be happy to give me a sack full of it if I happened to believe you....truthfully, i give less than a nat's shite what you believe,
I see no contradiction in being both ignorant and yet more rational than you. You must be in a constant state of being pissed off.but it pisses me off when ignorant people claim to be more rational than me.
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The 90s...sex drugs and abortions. Is that a good start?Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:16 pmOkay, I'll give it a shot. How do you know this?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:57 pm
You're supposed to debate - perhaps a good start would be to ask how i know this,
Let me ask you a question.. do you want to know if God exists?