World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Impenitent wrote:
don't bite the hand that feeds...

-Imp
We paid back the 'food' that you lent us along with the interest.
You haven't paid back damages from the Revolutionary War though, right?

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:06 pm

:lol: Did we start it?

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:30 pm

You certainly did start it by trying to subjugate a freedom-loving people to England's brand of tyranny that was practiced all over the world, but we were the first to kick your godforsaken ass, and I'm not talking about the donkeys you sleep with!

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Impenitent » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:51 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Impenitent wrote:
don't bite the hand that feeds...

-Imp
We paid back the 'food' that you lent us along with the interest.
I never said "you" bit, the axis powers did

-Imp

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:18 am

bobevenson wrote:You certainly did start it by trying to subjugate a freedom-loving people to England's brand of tyranny that was practiced all over the world, but we were the first to kick your godforsaken ass, and I'm not talking about the donkeys you sleep with!
:lol: You mean this 'tyranny' after we fought the French in the Seven year War? And by the 'we' bit you mean the 'we' that included the French and their money, artillery expertise and Navy, and Spanish and Dutch money. That 'we'?

By and large 'you' were British boob. Oh! Sorry I forgot you're a what? Second, third generation immigrant bob so I hardly think there's much of a 'we' or 'you' there.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:45 pm

You're all a bunch of socialists, which is tyranny enough for me.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:39 am

You live in a world of fantasy.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:49 pm

Arising_uk wrote:You live in a world of fantasy.
You live in a world of over-sized type trying to make an incomprehensible point.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:26 pm

Haw! Haw! Is the cry of the lesser spotted irony bird.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:43 pm

Suspicions confirmed.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Harbal » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:13 pm

bobevenson wrote:You're all a bunch of socialists, which is tyranny enough for me.
There are different degrees of socialism but anyone who accepts the benefits of living in a society is surely a socialist. If you don't want to be a socialist, bob, you should go and live in isolation in the woods or somewhere.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:51 pm

Harbal wrote:
bobevenson wrote:You're all a bunch of socialists, which is tyranny enough for me.
There are different degrees of socialism but anyone who accepts the benefits of living in a society is surely a socialist. If you don't want to be a socialist, bob, you should go and live in isolation in the woods or somewhere.
Again, I will say that the only proper function of government is social integration, like a traffic cop keeping people from running into each other. It has absolutely nothing to do with a goddamn socialist government taking money out of anybody's pocket to give to somebody else!

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sun May 07, 2017 3:41 pm

Gary,

You've made the biggest mistakes in your revisionist history which leads me to believe you've been smoking weed and skipping your history classes.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Science Fan » Sun May 28, 2017 11:28 pm

If Japan was already on the verge of surrendering, then how come it did not immediately surrender after one atomic bomb was dropped? The fact two bombs were needed undermines the claim Japan was close to surrender.

This argument also seems to implicitly judge the bombing of Japan based on modern ethics as opposed to the ethics in use at the time. Every nation involved in WWII targeted civilians.

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Re: World War II and Aftermath: Mistakes?

Post by Gary Childress » Mon May 29, 2017 1:03 am

Science Fan wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 11:28 pm
If Japan was already on the verge of surrendering, then how come it did not immediately surrender after one atomic bomb was dropped? The fact two bombs were needed undermines the claim Japan was close to surrender.

This argument also seems to implicitly judge the bombing of Japan based on modern ethics as opposed to the ethics in use at the time. Every nation involved in WWII targeted civilians.
By the time leading up to the Atomic Bomb dropping, Japan had virtually nothing to fight with. They had no oil, their Navy was pretty much destroyed. They were defeated in all but having a piece of paper signed by them saying so. The US was pushing for nothing short of unconditional surrender. Maybe if we had tried negotiating a little less rigidly the Japanese would have at least agreed to a cessation of hostilities. Perhaps we could have allowed them to keep whatever imperial possessions they still had in exchange for an agreement to end hostilities toward the Allies.

Regarding the morality of bombing civilians. Even at the time it was largely considered immoral to kill civilians in war, the same as we still bomb countries today even though we cringe when collateral casualties are hit. We do it anyway because we figure whatever benefits outweigh the costs.

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