seeds wrote:seeds wrote:
Who told you that all of reality is “non-dual”?
Dontaskme wrote:
Knowledge told me, however, the knowledge I am is not who I really am ... for I am always ...with or without the knowledge. I don't know that I am without knowing I am not. BUT the I don't know that, ...that knowing arises in I from nowhere. It's an appearance in I but not I...as knowledge.
Try explaining that to Grandma.
What do you think Grandma's are not self realised, self realised in the sense of realising there is no separate 'me' - and that All there is is EVERYTHING ONE WITHOUT A SECOND.....don't make me laugh...it's the same one energy as everything appearing as separate things...the difference is plain and simply illusory.
seeds wrote:DAM, I appreciated the effort you put-forth in laying out your case for non-duality.
However, from previous encounters, you already know that I am not a fan of the extremes to which you carry the concept of “oneness,” for it seems to be devoid of any meaningful (long-term) purpose for us.
Listen, reality is nondual whether you or others on this forum like it or not, that truth is not going to change things. And unless you can come up with a suitable plausible rebuttal against that truth then perhaps I'll let it go. I am open to being wrong you know. Meanwhile reality is nondual meaning there is just EVERYTHING.
Einstein was quoted as saying energy is neither created nor destroyed ...this idea can also be translated as nothing can die because nothing was born. Meaning there's just everything expressing itself over and over again infinitely for eternity.
If this were not true then nothing would appear, nothing would be possible, these words would not be appearing on your computer screen all over the internet, also, no one would be posting replies. Thoughts, feelings, senses, beliefs, ideas, images, concepts, all of these things would not appear if there wasn't just EVERYTHING all at once without beginning or end. This cannot be refuted or denied, it's a happening.
There is no you, or me, or us, or them, or other speaking or listening, or doing or being.....there's just EVERYTHING speaking, listening, doing, being.
That there appears to be a you, or a me, or an us, or a them is plain and simply inclusive of EVERYTHING ..aka oneness appearing as the many...aka Same one.
It's the same one UNDIVIDED energy that never started nor ends, that appears to itself as the word ''start'' and ''end'', appearing to divide EVERYTHING into TWO OR MORE THINGS...it appears to SEPARATE into THIS and THAT... but any division is pure illusion. How can one energy that is everything without beginning nor end, is neither born nor can die divide itself.??...it would have to get outside of itself, but how can one get outside of itself? how can one divide itself, what would it divide itself with? hOW CAN THE OCEAN DIVIDE ITSELF? ANY WAVE IS STILL THE OCEAN.
iT can't be divided simply because there is no thing to divide it, there is no you period. There is no you because there is no OTHER than you. You are ONE...this is ONE....aka EVERYTHING..aka NO THING
seeds wrote:Furthermore, if you can’t even convince people on a philosophy forum of the merits and worth of non-dualistic thought, then what hope is there of convincing the average person?
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Listen, I'M NOT OUT TO CONVINCE ANYONE...it's not my problem if people posting on this forum or those who are only reading want to reject the truth, either they understand the truth or they reject it, that's none of my business, but it's not going to change my mind about it. I'm not going to give up explaining this if that's what your hoping, so get used to it. I'm never going to give up.
I think it was Jesus, a voice from within itself aka everything.. that said the truth is within you, the truth happened to me, the truth has found me. life evolved the truth of nondual knowledge to me...because it can, and it does.
seeds wrote:you already know that I am not a fan of the extremes to which you carry the concept of “oneness,” for it seems to be devoid of any meaningful (long-term) purpose for us.
You are not going to get any meaning or purpose out of this if it's for an assumed sense of separate 'me' ...so forget that.
But by dropping that separate 'me' idea, you will be left with everything. You've got nothing to lose...with nonduality.