Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

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Hegel
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Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Hegel » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:17 am

Hi everyone ..

this is my first post in this beautiful Forum, and i think these days of the idea that begin with this question:

Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

for example that deaf people use visually way to think which use no language , and that leads another question:

is the languages a thinking tool or a Communication tool ?

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Impenitent » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:10 pm

that depends on how you define think...

one can think about (as well as feel) feelings non linguistically

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by MatejValuch » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:11 am

Hi Hegel,
I personally always use language when thinking. It makes it more simple.
Now let's think about a very small child, who can't speak or understand a word yet. Can such a child actually think? Does it actually think?

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by HexHammer » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:23 am

..what a silly question! :roll:

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Dubious » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:42 am

Not certain if the genius who invented the wheel had a word for ROUND.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Skip » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:07 pm

Yes, but it's harder to communicate. So your secret is more likely to be safe with someone who would actually have to draw a diagram, than with someone who can blurt out the words.
It's possible to think about all kinds of real, concrete and practical things without language, but difficult to hold abstract ideas and impossible to organize a religion or a smear-campaign.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Impenitent » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:34 pm

Dubious wrote:Not certain if the genius who invented the wheel had a word for ROUND.
the genius who invented the bullet did

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Terrapin Station » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:37 pm

Hegel wrote:Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Yes. I often think non-linguistically.

However, it seems that some people only think linguistically. I think that explains why some folks have a view that it's not possible to think non-linguistically.

That's not to suggest any superiority/inferiority on either side. There are simply different ways to think (at least apparently).
is the languages a thinking tool or a Communication tool ?
Both I'd say.
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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Justintruth » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:44 am

Hegel wrote:Hi everyone ..

this is my first post in this beautiful Forum, and i think these days of the idea that begin with this question:

Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

for example that deaf people use visually way to think which use no language , and that leads another question:

is the languages a thinking tool or a Communication tool ?
You can certainly do things with your mind besides think in sentences. Imagination, for example. There are many others. Whether we call all the things done with the mind as "thinking" is a matter of arbitrary definition. Is the coming into existence of a new meaning thinking? Is the naming of it so important?

I think that we have to go to biological roots. I performed Husserl's epoche for the first time a very long time ago while sitting on some steps looking out at the grass and trying to understand his book titled Ideas. Suddenly the grass, especially the green of the grass, was transformed. Now my instinct was to "say" in my mind "The grass is greening" but that saying was not what happened. Prior to it there was the event of the epoche. I think that we are biologically programmed to name meaning when it occurs. One wants to move ones lips and use ones vocal cords and even point and say in classic Wittgenstein form. "That is green".

This urge to move ones biology to form utterance preceded writing I think. But along with it came those cave paintings and the carvings of the Universal Mother.

So no, thinking in words is a human thing. Certainly lions can hunt without thinking and their behavior is cooperative and complex.

Look at a good athlete in a competitive sport. Ask him to relate whether sentences were going through his mind to figure out which way he had to twist and turn to avoid or capture his opponent of the ball.

In a way, in a very deep and serious way, it is necessary to even silence the mind, in order to do certain very deep types of thinking. There is a long tradition that represents this.

So no is my answer. You can define thinking to exclude all that we do with our minds that is not done with language but if you do you will not change the facts and there will just be a requirement for another - or other - names to describe the "thinking" we do that is not in sentences.


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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by HexHammer » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:18 am

Yes.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by attofishpi » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:35 am

Hegel wrote:Hi everyone ..

this is my first post in this beautiful Forum, and i think these days of the idea that begin with this question:

Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

for example that deaf people use visually way to think which use no language , and that leads another question:

is the languages a thinking tool or a Communication tool ?
Welcome to the Forum Hegel!

Animals think without language (i think!)..

What you state re deaf people - and i am presuming deaf since birth is an interesting point. We all have our own inner voice that we use when making a decision, like "i think i'll go to the shed and grab the chainsaw to kill Hex" (just kidding Hex!) but we do think in language so i do wonder re deaf people - i would think they have an idea as to 'get' and 'chainsaw' in some context that they still use as their 'inner voice'.

In answer to your question, language is definitely both a thinking and communication tool.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Trajk Logik » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:52 am

Of course it is possible. This man never learned a language yet was able to survive long enough to be discovered by Susan Schaller and taught sign-language and a late age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_Without_Words

https://vimeo.com/76386718

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Londoner » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:24 am

As others have pointed out, plainly living things can have brain activity and live without words, so isn't the question more: 'Could we think in the same way without words? Could we reason?'

I do not see how we could do logic, or maths, because you need to be able to work in abstractions. You need to move away from specific instances and use symbols that can represent general categories. Similarly, I do not see how we could do science.

One thing we can observe is that it very difficult to talk about words, or what things would be like if we didn't have words, since we are obliged to use words to do so! I do not think this is just some quirky paradox within the philosophy of language, I think it is because it is a mistake to treat words as if they can be singled out from our 'thinking' as a whole. Because we have words like 'word', or 'language', we assume that they can be distinguished from the rest of our mental activity, but I do not think they can be.

It may be that asking 'Is it possible to think without language?' is the equivalent of asking 'Is it possible for human brains to be unlike human brains?'

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by thedoc » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:37 pm

Just to add to the confusion, it should be noted that the form of a language will influence how an individual thinks. It was once noted that if you look at the structure of French and German, it's easy to see why the 2 countries have been at war for so long. The same holds true for English and some oriental languages, and the attitudes of the people. In this light the question is also what are people thinking, as it is influenced by language?

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