There is no absolute truth! Truth and untruth exists only in the human mind. See my argument in the Mathematics forum.
Actually, modern maths is not necessarily about numbers, but about sets. All mathematical objects, including numbers, are sets. Maths is based on set theory, which is described in logic.
Logic is necessary for any kind of reason - whether it is mathematical or linguistic, the only difference that in language we use our intuitive logic and in maths we require a formal system based on our intuition. So it all comes down to our intuitive notion of truth.
It becomes very tricky when we start asking questions like "is our intuition correct?". Since outside our intuition truth and untruth may not even exist. This is easy to understand when you ask the same question with mathematics: a true proposition in maths is true in the mathematical system, but has no meaning outside mathematics. This is why I believe truth exists only inside one's mind, and there is no eternal truth.
Mathematics also made me understand that - like chaz said - it is used to describe reality, rather than that reality is based on mathematics. This is true for language as well, and maybe even our logic.
Incorrect, you are talking about belief, often sold by men as truth!
Then explain to me the difference between truth and belief. Both are subjective perceptions of reality.
Not at all! Belief is what men tout as they find solution that suits their agendas or limitations. Often men call this belief, truth, for the same reasons. This type of truth is in fact subjective and thus relative as it's not really truth at all. The qualifier "absolute" is attached to any of mans truth that is not subject to my previous mention, that is actual, it is never subjective. This absolute truth can never be disputed by any man, or any being no matter how intelligent and all knowing they may be. The absolute truth is not held in the feeble label used to mention it, it is contained in the thing in and of itself, by any other name, it smells just as sweet.
For instance it is absolutely true that the current human being has to have O2, found in the air, which can be found on earth, to live. If he does not breath in this gas, it is absolutely true that he shall die. It is not subjective. All men would agree, and even if not, it is not a perception, they would in fact die. Any one could argue this, not take notice of this, not even be aware of this, or know what to call it. One could be deaf dumb, blind, have no sense of smell or touch, and if in fact they are a current human being, though they may not know it, they shall die, not as with this label, but as with the thing in and of itself, this thing that is death, as it pertains to life. As to the meanings of things, there is no necessary absolute truth, but as to the condition of things, there is a necessary absolute truth, contained within their nature, their actual being as dictated by their actuality of existence.
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If I understood correctly, your definitions are as follows:
Belief: things regarded by men as true that have been found by finding solutions that suit their agendas or limitations
Absolute truth: things that are certain to happen in nature
No I did not make such a broad general statement, as to what is certain to happen. I specifically mentioned something that is certain to happen given a certain set of conditions.
You have not proved an absolute truth exist, but suppose it exists.
Would you agree with me that we cannot be certain of anything, and therefore we cannot know if something is an absolute truth?
Yes I have, stop your breath. While you may not see it, those around you, that are paying attention, surely will, and that's absolutely true, and you shall absolutely truthfully be dead.
I agree that a great many things are not certain, but I see that some are. Did you not pay attention, you, like Lance, are speaking of knowing of a particular instance of an absolute truth, but as I said, an absolute truth exists whether someone is aware or not. An absolute truth is not conditional upon knowledge, just your awareness of it.