Actually, I'm going to whine here, because if you need an example I got one here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8776
Make a perfectly valid proposal from my point of view I get one answer and it is:
And then no more replies or attempts by others at making a reply. I could've least gotten some discussion or somebody trying to reason their way through, but no,
it is :/ So, one idea to keep in mind always about philosophical discussion: people do not like change, and they will fight it with teeth and claw, for better or worse! And they are merciless...
Your only weapon is a form of stubbornness where you continuously supply new arguments until the counterpart bends before you and finishes off with some defence mechanism trying to state how stupid or something you are ^^