From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Bernard » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:05 pm

Male views of women pre-contraception are often hard... Perhaps to create a distance?

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Satyr » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:27 pm

It would appear that a proposition can easily and carelessly be dismissed by claiming some psychological factor, like a bad relationship or a broken heart.

If that's the case then I wish to debunk Einstein's Theory of Relativity because he had a strained relationship with his ex-wife and his sons driving him, perhaps, towards relativity as a way fo avoiding his own culpability in the entire affair.

We might call this an ad hominem assault but when it comes form a female or a feminine mind then it's simply harmless and cute.

Yes, perhaps any "negative", insulting opinion is driven by some nefarious motive but this still says nothing about the opinion itself.

Mentioning that Heidegger was an Nazi during the Second World War says nothing, NOTHING, about the validity of his views in any area...including politics.

We might just as well say that when retards, females, and imbeciles, react so defensively to anything which dares to mention something negative about another human being or a group of human beings that this might be based on a deep seated anxiety concerning his own status and how the same judgment can be turned against him or her.

If the idea of specialization and how nature evolves traits, both physical and mental, to meet particular sexual or survival role, scares you or you consider it unjust or evil, then this is really no argument against it.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by reasonvemotion » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:02 am

Male views of women pre-contraception are often hard... Perhaps to create a distance?

I dont understand. Can you please elaborate.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Bernard » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:36 am

It's often toted that the sexual revolution of the sixties when men and women began to mix more freely was partly a result of the pill. Men are often raised to see the negatives of women only so as to turn them off their company. It's a population control thing.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by reasonvemotion » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:43 am

Bernard
It's often toted that the sexual revolution of the sixties when men and women began to mix more freely was partly a result of the pill. Men are often raised to see the negatives of women only so as to turn them off their company. It's a population control thing.

Would it be unreasonable to suggest that this method of "population control" could have been passed down for many years and would not this attitude be the perfect breeding ground to produce misogynistic males. If this were so, it may be the explanation for the blatant and it seems acceptable derogatory descriptions of women in general by these "learned men".

Another list for contemplation
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Arthur Schopenhauer, Friedrich Nietzsche, Otto Weininger, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Socrates, Gautama Buddha, Plato, Aristotle and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel are alleged to be misogynists.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Bernard » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:09 pm

It's as old as reproduction itself it would seem.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Kayla » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:17 pm

Satyr wrote:Mentioning that Heidegger was an Nazi during the Second World War says nothing, NOTHING, about the validity of his views in any area...including politics.
true

but mentioning that someone had a poor relationship with one's mother is relevant if someone thinks all women are bitches

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Satyr » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:41 pm

Kayla wrote:
true

but mentioning that someone had a poor relationship with one's mother is relevant if someone thinks all women are bitches
Therefore it would be JUST as "relevant" to consider an other's psychology when (s)he claims that all women are NOT bitches or when they claim that all humans are equal.

It's funny how bleeding-heart liberal nit-wits can easily dig into the other's psychology when they are confronted by a "negative" assessment but never question the other's mental stability or their bias based on their relationships when what is said is "positive" or "neutral".
It's as if casually mentioning or speculating that his penis is short or his mother was overbearing constitutes an argument against a proposition with nothing else required but an emotional visceral component.

Let's get one thing straight:
All humans are weak and have fear and are the products of a lack, but how each particular human reacts to this is what differentiates the coward from the courageous one and the intelligent from the moron and the superior from the inferior.

All woman are Not bitches...but the vast majority might be considered so if we take into account their sexual role in relation to males.

Not ALL black bears are black....and not ALL birds fly....and not ALL men have penises.
Where there is an exception a reason must be sought.
Sometimes the reason is a product of human intervention...because not ALL polar bears live close to the arctic circle either.

Now back to "bitchiness".
To understand why females would be considered so by most men, not ALL men, you would have to understand a female's sexual role as genetic, and then mimetic, filter.
Then you would have to understand what role resources play in a female's sexuality and the risks and costs she must endure to fulfill her sexual role.
Then you must admit that gender roles are nothing more than sexual roles extended and applied into particular social and cultural conventions.

Men, males, did NOT invent gender roles, no more than they invented sexual roles or sex itself.
They simply applied these roles by establishing order, providing limits and symbols to the expression of these naturally produces sexual roles.
They did so for the same reason human intervene upon nature in general: to establish the ideal, for humans, conditions.
Part of these ideal conditions entail the inclusion of males into the genetic pool which would otherwise not be included. This necessitates a curbing of sexual promiscuity in both males and females...what you liberals would call "paternalism".

Currently we are witnessing the effects of sexual liberation, particularly of female sexual power, and how family is becoming obsolete and many males are marginalized forcing them into risks and costs so as to compete in the sexual arena.
Criminality amongst males can also be linked to this "liberation" from sexual constraints.
Not only has promiscuity increased but sexual satisfaction is also decreasing.

Within these circumstances it is easy to understand why females would be considered bitches by most, if not all, men.

Instead of you douche-bags casting aspersions about Schopenhauer's family life or his relationship with his mother, you should look into the mirror and see your own psychological failings in trying to understand what is occurring with none of your pseudo-intellectual self-congratulatory, casual dismissals.
Most of you retards are not worthy of sitting at the feet of Schopenhauer and yet here you are critiquing him based on what you've heard about him; gossip by women and effete little boys.
This, as if, by mentioning his dark-side you deal with some uncomfortable, for you, insights he made; insights which contradict your simplistic, comfortable, delusions and your superficial modern mythologies...all of which are held onto for dear life because fear...FEAR underlies your own psychologies and you cannot cope.

What's funny that this "not all women are that way" is a response I often encounter amongst females faced with the reality of their nature.
It's an attempt to exonerate themselves from the law by implying that they are that rare exception to the rule, only to later expose themselves as being the most glaring example of the rule they deny applies to them or to ALL.
I have, personally, met exceptions to the rule, but to establish an opinion on an exception while ignoring the rule is to avoid establishing an opinion on anything.
All of science, including those sciences not in the domain of the humanities, are founded on generalities...but it seems only those sciences dealing with humans are to be scrutinized and admonished for doing so, because, somehow, humans are also exempt from any practices or judgments made about other animals or nature, in general.
They too are the exception to the rule.

So, you can say what you will about other beasts of any variety and sexual type but none of it should be applied to homo sapients because if it is then you must be suffering from a less than ideal family upbringing and your momma was not nurturing enough.
The only judgments you are permitted to make in this politically-correct modernistic world, breeding idiots and half-wits, are ones with a positive edge to them: something uplifting, flattering or, if slightly off into the negative, something easily corrected and dealt with.

And yes not AAAAAAALL gorillas like bananas either.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Kayla » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:17 pm

you might have saved yourself a lot of typing just by writing

i am a man and a douchebag and proud of it

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by reasonvemotion » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:46 pm

I am a woman and love being a woman. To have unity intellectually, physically and spiritually is the most wonderful experience between a man and a woman. I have experienced it once. If you are fortunate enough to meet that person you will never forget. It is beyond comparing sitting at the feet of a philosopher.
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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Satyr » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:51 pm

Kayla wrote:you might have saved yourself a lot of typing just by writing

i am a man and a douchebag and proud of it
Sweetie, that's already been said.

Does that include ALL men, my sweet?

I see the level of discourse continues to be high on this forum.
If you're going to insult, my sweet, at least put in the effort to include some substance on-topic.
I know all you have is emotion and the bullshit you parrot and which you have no clue about but do try....just a bit.


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reasonvemotion wrote:I am a woman and love being a woman.
Excellent, and nobody said you shouldn't, now figure out what feminine means and why, and your pride might grow deeper and become more profound.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Satyr » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:13 pm

reasonvemotion wrote:
Excellent, and nobody said you shouldn't, now figure out what feminine means and why, and your pride might grow deeper and become more profound.


You have no understanding of women at all. You are afraid of them.
Oh sweetie, this is overused.

Shit you just offered me a declaration evoking, once more, fear...because it rules your own consciousnesses.
I guess what I am saying, my dearest, is that you are projecting.

I once debated a stupid christian and do you know what his final response to me was?
Yes..."You do not understand Christianity or God; you fear Him."

It works with everything, my dear.

You don't understand Quantum Physics, you are afraid of it...You do not understand life, you are afraid of it...and so on and so forth.

Thanks for, at least, trying.

Did I mention?
You are proving my positions valid with every response you offer.

I do not even have to prove how simple and predictable and governed by authority figures and popular culture females are...you exemplify it.
For that I thank you.

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by reasonvemotion » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:13 pm

Excellent, and nobody said you shouldn't, now figure out what feminine means and why, and your pride might grow deeper and become more profound.

Nonsensical

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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Satyr » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:15 pm

reasonvemotion wrote:
Excellent, and nobody said you shouldn't, now figure out what feminine means and why, and your pride might grow deeper and become more profound.

Nonsensical
Did you rethink your laconic dismissal, my sweet?

No fear there.
You are one courageous simpleton.

I see you opted for a less revealing reply...something implying depth and intellectualism yet delivering nothing.

Please, never, ever change...even if you could.
you are a complex, valuable gem, all men should place on a pedestal and worship from afar because if noe looks too closely one might find cracks and blemishes in the pristine uniqueness.

If you wish to hate men, not because you fear them, then hate me, my sweet.
I will not call you a misandrist...because you are simply repeating the popular dogma with no thought of your own...you are submitting to the flattery, like all little girls do.

No, my sweet, you and your ilk do not want a man, a "real man", you want a pet...a dog...no a horse with a large penis and a small brain; a beast you can ride.
A n*****.
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Re: From Schopenhauer's "Essay on Women."

Post by Kayla » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:18 pm

Satyr wrote:
Kayla wrote:you might have saved yourself a lot of typing just by writing

i am a man and a douchebag and proud of it
Sweetie, that's already been said.

Does that include ALL men
cannot speak to that but it certainly includes you
I see the level of discourse continues to be high on this forum.
i have not seen posts by women here complaining that all men are assholes

but there are posts by some men complaining that women are all bitches

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