Reason for ethical/moral behavior

cyberstone · **Joined:** Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:18 am **Posts:** 9

cyberstone wrote:

Nietszche was right. Without "truth" or "God" or "objective reality" we must learn to live "beyond good and evil."

chaz wyman wrote:

Yes, he was right, Why are you not listening to him??

So you agree then (contradicting the rest of your entire post, which lacked any analysis). Without an objective authority, "morality" is an illusion created by wimps. (Just because someone can act morally, doesn't mean there is a reason to act morally. So that whole thing was off point.)

Thanks!

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

cyberstone wrote:

Nietszche was right. Without "truth" or "God" or "objective reality" we must learn to live "beyond good and evil."

chaz wyman wrote:

Yes, he was right, Why are you not listening to him??

So you agree then (contradicting the rest of your entire post, which lacked any analysis).

How can I be contradicting a post without analysis??

What exactly do you think my position is, anyway? Why not look back and read what I actually wrote??

Without an objective authority, "morality" is an illusion created by wimps.

Humans seem to thrive on illusion, and god is one of the biggest (used by moralists to find their objective moral law). Why not answer my question, and tell me where moral law comes from if you want to hold on to it?
Unless you agree with Nietzsche? Or is it that you disagree with Nietzsche because you wish there to be an objectively moral world?

(Just because someone can act morally, doesn't mean there is a reason to act morally. So that whole thing was off point.)

You are really not making any sense whatever.

Thanks!

cyberstone · **Joined:** Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:18 am **Posts:** 9

chaz wyman wrote:

Humans seem to thrive on illusion, and god is one of the biggest (used by moralists to find their objective moral law). Why not answer my question, and tell me where moral law comes from if you want to hold on to it?
Unless you agree with Nietzsche? Or is it that you disagree with Nietzsche because you wish there to be an objectively moral world?

You are really not making any sense whatever.

Maybe I'm not making sense to you because you are talking about something else. I didn't bring up the question of what the moral law is or who the authority is.

Where moral law comes from? You are asking who the authority is. I'm saying if moral law does not come from an authority above humans, then there is no reason for moral behavior. Simple point.

If moral law is made up by humans than it would be humans telling humans how to act. Personally, I don't need mommy and daddy anymore, and I suspect you don't either. So what is the reason for me to subject my own will to something else? Unless that something else is higher than me and all of us, there is no reason. Me subjecting my will to your idea of "good" makes as much sense as you subjecting your will my idea of "good." No sense. Each of us subjecting our wills to "truth" and "goodness" and "objective moral law" makes sense. If of course, truth, and goodness and objectivity exist. That's another question. Get it? Neitzsche got it. No reason for "morality" without "Truth" or "God". More simply put, there is no morality without a moral authority.

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

cyberstone wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

Humans seem to thrive on illusion, and god is one of the biggest (used by moralists to find their objective moral law). Why not answer my question, and tell me where moral law comes from if you want to hold on to it?
Unless you agree with Nietzsche? Or is it that you disagree with Nietzsche because you wish there to be an objectively moral world?

You are really not making any sense whatever.

Maybe I'm not making sense to you because you are talking about something else. I didn't bring up the question of what the moral law is or who the authority is.

Where moral law comes from? You are asking who the authority is. I'm saying if moral law does not come from an authority above humans, then there is no reason for moral behavior. Simple point.

If moral law is made up by humans than it would be humans telling humans how to act. Personally, I don't need mommy and daddy anymore, and I suspect you don't either. So what is the reason for me to subject my own will to something else? Unless that something else is higher than me and all of us, there is no reason. Me subjecting my will to your idea of "good" makes as much sense as you subjecting your will my idea of "good." No sense. Each of us subjecting our wills to "truth" and "goodness" and "objective moral law" makes sense. If of course, truth, and goodness and objectivity exist. That's another question. Get it? Neitzsche got it. No reason for "morality" without "Truth" or "God". More simply put, there is no morality without a moral authority.

Good.
By the way you articulated your post it looked as if you regretted the disappearance of God.
But I image that you do have some ethical rules by which you live your life?
I also imagine that you have feelings about killing, lying and cheating?
If you agree with me and Nietzsche then you have a different account for your personal and Ethical behaviour.
Personally this accords with what is natural to be human; an idea of morality (or let us say; ethics), that is easily as early as Hobbes.
God in this scheme is little more that a convenient lie for the populace.

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