How much wealth is it ethical to have when the person next to you does not even have enough to eat?

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Re: How much wealth is it ethical to have when the person next to you does not even have enough to eat?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:41 am

Greta wrote:Some related thoughts after reading some of the above:

Is empathy for those outside of one's circle of any value, is it just something that bleeding hearts do to make themselves feel superior?

Can society find a way of rewarding the best contributors rather than the best gamers of the economic system?
If humans can find it in themselves to empathise more widely then their circle is extended; communication grows; ideas are shared; trade increases; and wars decline.

As for the second question, it is political. At the moment might is right, and money is might. taxation can mitigate inequality, but the rich seem to have little respect for democracy, and the poor have seen their efforts dashed and have grown apathetic.
Had you asked that question 100 years ago, things would have seems more optimistic for the poor.

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Post by Belinda » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:18 am

Hobbes'Choice wrote:
As for the second question, it is political. At the moment might is right, and money is might. taxation can mitigate inequality, but the rich seem to have little respect for democracy, and the poor have seen their efforts dashed and have grown apathetic.
Had you asked that question 100 years ago, things would have seems more optimistic for the poor.
Possibly the poor are about to become less apathetic. The crisis with the UK National Health Service, environmental degradation resulting in poor air quality, and water and food shortages, and the right wing dictatorship of Trump and Company, will wake up the duped poor and the apathetic poor. I foresee a revolution and I hope that it will not be a violent one.

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Post by TSBU » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:23 am

Empathy is another not well defined lie.
We can't sense other people feelings like if they were ours, because we are not that people. We can perceive that they have feelings, or try to understand what we can in other people, those things that we have in common. But that alone doesn't make you a nice guy, or the oposite doesn't make you a bad guy, actions make you what you are, that onlu allows you to controll better other humans, know what they feel is not very different than know what they think.

Inequality is inevitable, and having more or less money doesn't make you better or worse person, in one way or another. People who think that rich people are better people are as stupid and ignorant as people who think that rich people are worse people,and the same with the poor. Talking about "the poor" or "the rich" like if they were all equal just by being rich or poor is absurd.

Fights happens when people get together, if they can live separately and hapily, there are no fights. Fights happens because people want to have by fighting what they can't get without it, of course, pawns are controlled to die for causes they don't understand, but that won't change with comunication, because people are stupid.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:44 pm

"empathy"

My nephew sometimes has a hard time with homework. I love the boy, have great empathy for him. Should I do his homework for him, or, simply assist him as is practical?

A helping hand can be a great kindness, but, doing for the other (when the other can and should do for himself) is nuthin' but great cruelty.

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Post by henry quirk » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:47 pm

"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?

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Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:13 pm

henry quirk wrote:"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?
Is Trump a leftist or generally near a centrist? Process of elimination.

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henry quirk wrote:"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?
Research into mass hysteria might reveal the cause for such assessment.

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Post by Belinda » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:03 pm

the right wing dictatorship of Trump and Company,
Trump and Company is larger than the President- to- be . Trump and Company stands for the ownership of the world and its people by big commerce. The gift to us all by big commerce is the riches of a very few and the increasing poverty of the majority.

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Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:08 pm

Belinda wrote:Hobbes'Choice wrote:
As for the second question, it is political. At the moment might is right, and money is might. taxation can mitigate inequality, but the rich seem to have little respect for democracy, and the poor have seen their efforts dashed and have grown apathetic.
Had you asked that question 100 years ago, things would have seems more optimistic for the poor.
Possibly the poor are about to become less apathetic. The crisis with the UK National Health Service, environmental degradation resulting in poor air quality, and water and food shortages, and the right wing dictatorship of Trump and Company, will wake up the duped poor and the apathetic poor. I foresee a revolution and I hope that it will not be a violent one.
Sadly the poor are, rather predictably doing what they are instructed, and deciding to blame foreigners and immigrants.

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henry quirk wrote:"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?
Two years ago Trump was twittering how much he loved the Clintons, and who great the economy was doing.
Trump is a twittering moron, with a complete lack of conviction, clueless and with a principle or idea.

Here' one of his Tweets.

The same people who did the phony election polls, and were so wrong, are now doing approval rating polls. They are rigged just like before.

Actually they showed that Trump was behind, and he surely was on election day. Hilary, despite the FBI trying to destroy her in election week, got 2.7 million more votes that Trump, making him the least popular President of all time.

Here's another.
The Democrats are most angry that so many Obama Democrats voted for me. With all of the jobs I am bringing back to our Nation, that number..

Trump is not bringing back any jobs.

What can anyone make of this??
Dishonest media says Mexico won't be paying for the wall if they pay a little later so the wall can be built more quickly. Media is fake!


When did Mexico agree to pay for the wall?
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
henry quirk wrote:"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?
Two years ago Trump was twittering how much he loved the Clintons, and who great the economy was doing.
Trump is a twittering moron, with a complete lack of conviction, clueless and with a principle or idea.
I'd say more, I'd say he is a politician.

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Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:30 pm

TSBU wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
henry quirk wrote:"the right wing dictatorship of Trump"

Can any one foist up a single shred of evidence to support the above assessment of a presidency that hasn't even begun?
Two years ago Trump was twittering how much he loved the Clintons, and who great the economy was doing.
Trump is a twittering moron, with a complete lack of conviction, clueless and with a principle or idea.
I'd say more, I'd say he is a politician.
Praise indeed.

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Post by Belinda » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:43 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sadly the poor are, rather predictably doing what they are instructed, and deciding to blame foreigners and immigrants.
Yes, partly or even largely because they have been duped by the political Right and its media mouth pieces. See the Daily Mail as an English paper that well illustrates "media mouth piece" of the popular ragged sort.

The Right spends insufficient on educating the poor to the effect that the poor are unaware of the benefits brought to natives by foreigners and immigrants.

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:24 pm

Hobbes,

What you describe with Trump is not the behavior of an ideologue, but a businessman.

By his own admission, Trump supported the Clintons (and many others) cuz "when I call, I expect them to pick up the phone."

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The general view of the 'poor', in this thread, as ignorant is one of the reasons Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President, this Friday.

Trump's win is a big fuck you to Democrats (and the Left) who treat 'the people' as a resource to be managed instead of employers to be serviced.

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Clinton's lead in the popular vote (at or past three million): as everyone knows, America doesn't have one popular vote election to hire a president; instead we have 50 state elections to assign electoral votes. Like it or not (certainly that three million, all coming out of California, doesn't like it)) but Trump played the game by rules set up by some one else and he won.

If this election had been a popular vote (let's say the electoral were abolished two years ago), Trump would have made his appeals to voter-rich states, and voter-rich regions, instead of electorally-heavy states, just like Clinton and the others would have. If he had won a popular vote in that circumstance (and there's reason to believe he would), opponents would bitch and moan about the mistake of abolishing that grand antiquity, the Electoral College.

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"Ownership of the world"

Fuck the world. Who owns 'you'?

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