Yes i was never brave nor am I now. i, just like every other child, never felt brave to just 'wanting' to live and exist. Although there were plenty of times i wished i never came into existence, genetically the body and spiritually the i, would not let 'me' give up. They always "fight" in order to continue to exist, thrive, and survive. There was no giving up or going back, as such, but i did learn through experiences why some do like to end their existence. The beauty of genes and of the inner spirit is their mutual and natural adaptability to survive. They will find a way to 'fit in', and be the fittest, in order that they survive, and get passed on, for as long as can be.Lacewing wrote:Based on what you've written, I'm guessing that you have been very brave... but also naturally adaptable, which may not feel brave to you. Rather, you've just done what you had to do... it sounds like.ken wrote:Ummm ... how do I explain this?
I think it would be hard to not have acceptance of 'what is'. Just saying this now sounds even logically extremely hard, if not impossible, to be able to not accept 'what IS'. How could any person, or any thing, not accept 'what IS'?Lacewing wrote: And you've continued to strive forward/onward/inward/outward. You've found acceptance of what is, to a large degree... which is a rare thing to find, it seems. Your journey (it sounds like) has given you a unique opportunity and path.
Also, I do not think it is a case of me finding acceptance of 'what is' but rather it was a case of 'what is' finding me. My journey i found was not mine, which i somehow made up, nor did i give me a unique opportunity and path. What I found was 'what is' gave me a unique opportunity and path. I was fortunate enough to never have experienced love, before in childhood, and then take it for granted later on like so many people seemingly do. 'What is' created me, and the environment and me, and i found that the trillions x trillions of chances that could have happened that somehow i was the most luckiest, fortunate and rewarded person their could be, so far. I say 'so far' because of 'what is's' natural adaptability and instinct 'It' will provide as many unique opportunities and paths as necessary for every person so that every person also experience True Love.
I have felt that hug, but do not necessarily feel it, now, from this "world", the way it is now. But I know very, very soon that ALL will be basking in pure Love, and that is when the real and pure warmth will be felt by ALL.Lacewing wrote:I hope you are basking in the pure love that hugs this world... now.
It is of no surprise whatsoever at all. I understand perfectly why this has happened and continues to happen now.Lacewing wrote:ken wrote:I realized that through the One Mind, within every body, this is God, and this real and True 'I' have been inspiring peoples for millennia, however, people themselves misconstrue and misinterpret what I have been saying from within. When people try to explain, what 'I' have really been saying, they get 'My' tangled up in their own language, and then distort that even further with their own preconceptions, prejudices, beliefs and assumptions. Some people like mohammed, jesus, einstein, buddha, and way to many others to name now have done a better job than others at translating what 'I' have said and continually am saying, but equally none of them have really done that a "good" job of translating it. I say this because look at what messages I have, from laying within the Mind within every one, have sent to every person, but which has unfortunately been re-layed confusingly and how this has caused some of the worst confusion and "religious" fighting and wars ever seen and known.
So here's my string of questions... ...Why would this be any surprise to the one/collective mind?
If we have the awareness within us, but we have set it aside to play this "temporary game"(?), isn't that okay for us to do?
Yes perfectly okay. And, if the Truth be known it is a necessary part to play. Humans learn much more and understand much better by experiencing. If human beings did not learn what is right and what is wrong in life by not experiencing wrong and by not doing wrong, then they would not be able to learn how to stop ALL wrong doing AND they also would not learn how to teach how to teach what is right, properly. This "temporary game" of Life also plays out in human beings learning more and better about what is truly important and learn what they truly want more of, at their "death bed", as they say. The more human beings are destroying their one and only home now, i.e., planet and/or mother earth, the closer they are to wiping themselves out and, hopefully not right up to the very last "minute", that will bring them closer to Wanting to change in order to save not just themselves but their future offspring. The beauty of Life, within everything, 'I/It' WANT to keep My Self alive. This is seen and felt in the physical genes and also seen and felt and in spirit. Just look at any one life form. They ALL WANT to live and pro-create for their species. 'i' am no different for the human species, and, 'I' am no different for ALL, of Life, species as One. 'I' do NOT see any one species better nor greater than another. 'I', We, ALL UNIVERSALLY WANT TO SURVIVE.
Yes, we can. But if we have not yet learned how to do something, then how could we know how to do it?Lacewing wrote:And if some of us want to access that awareness in order to improve the game, we can.
For example people living 200 hundred years ago from "today" could not JUST learn how to drive a car or fly a plane if they have never experienced how to do it. However, if we bring those people from 200 years ago from "today" we could teach them. ALL human beings have 'intelligence', the ability to learn, understand and reason. That ability is within ALL human beings, it is what makes human beings different than any and ALL other animals actually, however, just thinking about the question and realizing that actually how are we supposed to learn how to do something if we have never been taught it does not mean we are unable to learn how to do it. For example if i put, and this is only a guess, most people in this forum into the cockpit of a airplane and/or helicopter and told them to fly it, I am guessing here again that most people would say, "But i don't know how to fly it". Although they say this and they might also believe it to be true, the actual Truth is that they can fly it, they have just not learned how to do it, YET.
So, if some have not yet learned how to access the awareness in order to play the game, then, I for one, would not expect them to know how to access that awareness, yet.
But in saying that accessing that awareness is really very EASY, once you learn and know how to. Learning how to do anything is also very easy but only if you truly Want to. Actually HOW to learn anything, which is truly meaningful, is really rather easy also once you have and know-HOW. HOW is being Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting or Willing to learn, then everything meaningful can be learned near instantly. But, getting back on track and exactly as you said, " if some of us want to access that awareness in order to improve the game, we can". That is, if 'we' seriously WANT to access that awareness, in order to improve the game, then YES 'we' ALL can.
YES, YES, and YES. There is nothing at all to worry about. In fact when the Truth is known there are more amazing things that ever could be imagined from within a very short-lived body. And, ALL of those things are more amazing than could ever be imagined. Life Itself is, literally, an amazing journey and finding the way through this labyrinth maze amazements just keep coming bigger and better all the time. Being amazed ALL the time is one thing that keeps Life worth "fighting" for. I wonder how often do you really stop and actually wonder about how ffffing amazing Life, and being HERE in It, truly is. And on top of that how ffff.... amazing human beings themselves are. Just look at what human beings have created, all by themselves, and continue to create. There is NO other animal that even comes close to this ability that ONLY human beings have. Human beings could and will make this game of LIfe much better when they just "put" Thee Mind to it.Lacewing wrote:But when our bodies die, we probably go back to pure energy... and this little life-excursion happens in the blink of an eye (on the supposed cosmic timeline)... so are we worrying over something unnecessarily?
And I could, and would, go on forever if I do not stop now.
Thee Mind can and does do whatever It wants. Just look at the power of humans to create, from the open Mind. Human beings can listen to another human being on the other side of the planet, or even a long way out of the planet, through a relatively tiny box and not just hear what the other are saying but also that noise they are making still makes sense, and also that noise comes through in the exact same accent. Now think about how you can actually see that other human being on a screen and "now" also being able to walk around the streets with that small box "catching" "monsters" in some sort of "augmented reality". This is above and beyond the computer itself, the plane itself, the cars, boats, electricity, etc. etc. etc. and everything else human beings have imagined and created from the open Mind. The only thing the open Mind can not do is force or make anything, including human beings, do anything that they truly do NOT want to do.Lacewing wrote: If/when the collective mind wants to shift gears... can't it do so?
'I', the truly open Mind, have been talking, guiding and showing THE way for millennia. 'I' can not and will not force any person to listen nor do anything that they truly do not want to do, find, discover or imagine. 'I' leave that freely up to 'you', people. 'I', collective Mind, am HERE only to help ALL of those who truly Want to help 'them' self.
Maybe that happens for some individuals, and i am sure it happens a lot. i am sure if done that a few many times also. But that certainly did not happen for me when i sought to change me for the better. But I guess I had a very fortunate upbringing, which lead me down a different path, in that situation. When the thought in this body needed to "fix something", the next thought was "how and/or where do I go for help?", then all the following thoughts we very Open and Honest. The main driver though was I Wanted to do it not for me at all, but for my children. The Want, or Will/ingness, within is the main driver for all our behaviors. How much we seriously and truly Want to achieve something and probably for what purpose is what will influence the outcome. The more people who would benefit from the desire to change, for the better, then probably the more will be and is learned. I never thought about this that much before. I learned that what I was actually discovering what for the better for future generations, which in turn is for the better of me and Me. me in the sense that if my children are happy, then i am happy, and, Me in the sense that the passed on genes keep Me alive and the passed on better and Truer knowledge, which leads to EVERYONE living in peace and harmony, is also much more inline with 'Me', the collective Mind, who actually lives and exists forever.Lacewing wrote:When an individual thinks they need to "fix something", their ego must surely come running forward saying, "I know what to do! I can fix it!" And then it becomes a different agenda from that moment on... loosing sight and respect for what is.
However, when a thought, turns away from the open Mind, by believing i know how to fix this and this "fix" is only for some and not for ALL, then instantly the agenda's changed and also, like you said, lost sight and the respect of and for 'what is', i.e., what is best for EVERY thing.
Really this is one question that i am not actually sure how to answer yet. i, because of my childhood, have a huge desire and wish to be heard and noticed and i am not sure if this is influencing/distorting the view from the invisible open Mind. However, also when i am looking from the 'i', the Mind's collective and Universal 'EYE' I also have not a feeling but a sense of WHY be HERE alone. I know to share life's experiences with one another is a very human sensation I also wonder what is the use of being HERE at this level of the Collective and Unified hindsight and not be able to share what is SEEN and known from HERE.Lacewing wrote:Why does the invisible mind have a desire to be heard and noticed?ken wrote:The invisible Mind always talking and showing but the One that no one is really wanting to be listening and noticing.
i, think, I am justified in saying that the 'I', the 'Mind' or God, also has, dare i say it, the "desire" to be heard and noticed. I think i am justified in saying that because 'God', something, has been inspiring people for many upon many of generations. The desire to be One with others instead of being a one and only is the driver behind the desire to be heard and noticed. After I think about this more why the Mind has a desire to be heard and noticed is because that IS 'what is'. The proof of this is in any new born baby and in just about every human being till the day the body dies the desire to be heard and noticed is within all human bodies. The very fact a new born baby could not and would not survive if it were not heard and noticed and that desire stays throughout because is there any use/purpose for living if one is not heard nor noticed, in other words a 'nothing'. Also, within every human being there is a desire to be heard and noticed for 'Who i/we are'.
Yes this is necessary to this whole Life/Existence experience and fantastic spectacle. This abusive behavior of being non-listened to and non-noticed is so that 'we', adults can SEE it for 'what it is', so that we learn from it and not grow up to do the exact same thing to 'our' collective children.Lacewing wrote:If the invisible mind is already in everyone, isn't that mind part of this whole experience, with all of the non-listening and non-noticing? Might this be part of the whole fantastic spectacle?
The shift happens when it happens. Although i and I would LOVE that shift to have happened many decades and millennia ago, depending on who's perspective i or I am looking from, : ), that shift WILL happen when It does.Lacewing wrote: Does it need to be fixed... or might it shift when the spectacle has run its course?
That 'floating up' sensation is literally what comes from a truly uplifting experience.Lacewing wrote:I want it too... and I have seen glimpses that blew my mind... of such acceptance, love, perfection, and connection... which makes me wonder why I don't strive for it more. First, I think that striving would be the very thing that wouldn't work. Second, there's that sense like when I was growing up, and I felt like I had to slow down to be with others, or go it alone. I chose to be with others... and I think I still do. Third, maybe there's a fear of how good it might feel... and how foreign that would be. Sort of like you might not realize how much pain you're in until it stops. I can imagine such lightness of being... that I might just float up in the air, unable to hold myself down any more. It's unsettling. I've had many dreams of that happening. I always feel embarrassed (in the dream) as to how I can explain it to others.ken wrote:a better world is desperately wanted by some people so much that that then drives them to desperately want to takes 'us' all "there", which 'I' call is HERE.
The reason you chose your path, in later years, is solely due to all of those experiences from conception/birth hitherto. Every choice we make is depended upon everything that has happened previously. The reason 'you' chose, 'your' seemingly chosen, path IS because of those reasons you gave and all the other reasons, which were ALL caused from ALL of the experiences that body you are in experienced. There are a multitude of reasons why we all choose to go on the path that we do, but there is only one exact same reason we all choose the path that we "choose". my path "chosen" is the exact same one reason you "chose" your path and which is the exact same reason every person ""chooses" their path. This reason is because of we have all had individual past experiences and that is the reason why we all choose individual different paths.
If you feel embarrassed or any other feeling to any new experience NOW then that is because of what was experienced in those earlier years.
Absolutely EVERY individual thought and feeling in a body NOW, which controls what that body does NOW IS because of what that individual body individually experienced PRIOR.
Oneness is experiencing through us, and through the human brain. In fact the human brain is needed for Oneness because that brain is the only thing that can gather, store, hold and maintain information. An invisible non-physical open Mind, obviously is not able to gather and store.Lacewing wrote:Okay, so... personally... I've been letting myself off the hook... by explaining it like this: If I am part of oneness (as others are too), and that oneness doesn't fade or go away, then oneness is probably experiencing through me (and others), and we are giving oneness quite a show! And part of that involves thrashing around as a human sometimes... when I'm not floating above the landscape in my glory moments. I'm trying to embrace it all, you know? I'm trying to revel in it all... and argue with it... and be with it. But most of all, I'm trying to drink in every delicious drop. And if some days are bitter-tasting, I might gag a bit before I spit out that mouthful and take another.ken wrote:But probably the biggest restriction is me, myself, ken, i, in using all these "rubbish" excuses for just not doing what it is that i truly want to do, i.e., be heard and fully understood.
The beauty of being uplifted and floating about existing as One in Oneness is that ALL still happens down-HERE on earth. Only in the non-physical sense are we "up above" and enlightened, so that we can be uplifted, but we still are allowed to be able to continue thrashing about in the physical human bodies the same as we have always been doing. Just this "time" we will be doing it by embracing and supporting each other instead of doing the opposite, which we are doing now.
After 'what is', which is being concealed IS revealed, then moving on just happens, naturally.Lacewing wrote:Hmm... well, I'm really trying to see what you're seeing that I'm not seeing. I do not know the answers... I'm just guessing and making things up as I suspect everyone else is. The explanation I gave above describes how it has been for me. When I get myself out of the way, I find myself in a bigger flow that works much better than anything I could direct or think of. And then, yes, it's as if I'm watching this "self" go through the motions... like I'm doing right now as I type this. When I'm in the flow, there's less identity with the self. The individual self doesn't matter as much... the bigger flow becomes more important to be part of. Often these days, I say things to people that my "self" would never have said before. It feels honest and truthful, but sometimes very feisty and sharp. Still it feels right to do. It kind of feels like sparring on a spiritual level. I do not do it out of malice. I do it (it seems) to question what might be concealing itself. The responses received almost always prove that concealment is going on and continuing! It may be a pointless game... but I get the sense that there's value. I have no expectations or significant agenda related to my interactions. I imagine I will feel compelled to move on at some point.ken wrote:I agree here wholeheartedly.Lacewing wrote:I think when individuals get themselves out of the way, the collective can function more as a collective... and the individual experience then transforms such that the individual can actually watch themselves being an individual, rather than being totally absorbed and consumed and intoxicated within the individual illusion.
But did you notice that you yourself are doing exactly what you have being questioning why others do it, i.e., thinking you "have the answers others do not".
Where you actually watching yourself here being an individual, in the last paragraph?
There can not be an inappropriate response, whatever is responded is, as you say, 'what is'.Lacewing wrote:Did I understand and respond appropriately (above)... or is there something I'm not seeing?ken wrote:Did you notice the individual being an individual here? Or, were you ".... being totally absorbed and consumed and intoxicated within the individual illusion?"
You wrote:
"I think when individuals get themselves out of the way, the collective can function more as a collective... and the individual experience then transforms such that the individual can actually watch themselves being an individual, rather than being totally absorbed and consumed and intoxicated within the individual illusion."
There are individual views, which may or may not perfectly match the collective view.
I agree 'your' view here matches the collective view perfectly, but the very thing you are talking about, 'if individuals do not get themselves out of the way, then the collective is not able to function more as the collective, and then the individual is not able to watch themselves' is exactly what i see you doing here. I thought you could not or did not notice it, so I was just questioning to clarify with you and it appears you did not notice it. I am not sure how to explain it at the moment.
Ummm.... If we change the word 'illusion' to 'view' and.... Umm You are expressing this as just a view, within that body, which is about the most appropriate way to express anything but expressing it as an individual 'view' (what you think) is not allowing the collective to function more as the collective and thus 'you', the individual, is not able to transform such that 'you', the individual, could actually watch 'you, being an individual. If you still can not see it, then it is of no importance. I was just wondering if you could notice and see it.
There are no inappropriate responses in regards to me because they all will be seen for what they are truly are by the collective Mind. Even when sthitapragya responds to me trying to prove me wrong in whatever way, the response given is just perfect. The response is completely appropriate because it suites the collective Mind perfectly and proves everything that I have been saying. This also will be fully seen and understood later.
Yes we are all in perfection now. There is only One Existence and we are in It NOW. Some people just do not realize yet. Also, when we learn how to make this One and only Existence a "much" better place by making it a Heaven for our children to live in rather than the Hell we are have and are creating now "today", then the Perfection will be better realized and understood.Lacewing wrote:I think so too! It can really be very sweetly simple... but for some reason we've ramped it up for quite a dramatic show... so I'm guessing there's some sort of sense or perfection in that... and I'm comforted and continually inspired to think that it's not all we are, nor all that is.ken wrote:We all put our own individually gained learned knowledge that we think is right ahead of the collectively already known knowing (...that is already within us.)