Worst thing.

[Harbal]

But I care about it from an ethical standpoint, because I care about suffering. And that which doesn't exist can't suffer.

Do daleks qualify for sainthood? If not they really need to make an exception in your case.

[Dalek Prime]

"You haven't offered on legitimate defense, besides being defensive. None of you have."

Sure I have, you can't see it cuz your head is buried in your own peculiar philo-hole.

Again: I like being alive. I like every pleasure, pain, success, failure, and on and on. I find living preferable to not living. What other defense do I need?

Your position, 'I would have no consciousness in the universe', you defend how? With this, 'Because the universe...doeesn't require it', despite the fact it is the very workings of reality, the universe, that give rise to life.

Not really seein' how your view is on firmer ground than mine.

The universe doesn't require it, as you suggest. If it did, it would have began consciousness from it's inception. As to you liking it, that's because you exist, and can't imagine otherwise.

Example. If you had no concept of candy, fruit, or sweet, would you sit around, pining for a candy apple? You know of it, so you automatically pine for it (consciousness, that is). And fuck off with your assumptions of my thought processes, or lack thereof. Just discuss this rationally, or piss off.

One of the assumptions presented is that the universe doesn't need beings. Again, how do you know this. Henry raised a reasonabe objection. Your response doesn't hold up. It may not have needed beings in the beginning. However, right now - there are sentient beings in the universe. How do you know that such 'energy' ( positive and negative ) is not required for growth and development of stated universe.
By insisting on there being absolute nonexistence, this theory could result in the universe failing to thrive. A dying universe. Way to go.
Forced nonexistence is not shown to be either morally or rationally better than the alternative.To use future sentient suffering as a justification for universal and absolute nonexistence is unreasonable, with a more than a hint of madness.

Who is being forced not to exist exactly? Do tell.

[Dalek Prime]

But I care about it from an ethical standpoint, because I care about suffering. And that which doesn't exist can't suffer.

Do daleks qualify for sainthood? If not they really need to make an exception in your case.

I'm neither a martyr nor a saint, Harbal. I just care about people, perhaps too much.

[henry quirk]

"that which doesn't exist can't suffer"

And that which doesn't exist can't experience joy or pleasure or love or accomplishment either, and these events or states are just as plausible, possible, as suffering.

Again: not seeing that your footing is any firmer than mine.

[Harbal]

this theory could result in the universe failing to thrive. A dying universe.

That's right, Dalek, you can't allow the Universe to suffer like this, think of your ethical principles.

[Dalek Prime]

And that which doesn't exist can't experience joy or pleasure or love or accomplishment either, and these events or states are just as plausible, possible, as suffering.

Again: not seeing that your footing is any firmer than mine.

That's why I asked you earlier that, if you had no concept of candy, or fruit, or sweet, would you pine for it. Clearly not. And something that has no concept of pleasure or life doesn't pine for that. Again, were you waiting in the aether, pining for a life? Of course not.

[Dalek Prime]

this theory could result in the universe failing to thrive. A dying universe.

That's right, Dalek, you can't allow the Universe to suffer like this, think of your ethical principles.

The universe is not conscious, and thus does not suffer, thrive or not.

And at least I have ethics that I'll stand by, marjoram.

[Harbal]

I just care about people, perhaps too much.

Yes, I remember thinking that about you round about the time you called me a fuckwad on the other thread. What is that, by the way?

[Dalek Prime]

I just care about people, perhaps too much.

Yes, I remember thinking that about you round about the time you called me a fuckwad on the other thread. What is that, by the way?

A fuckwad? Jism. Semen.

I always mean my insults in a caring, humane vein. Nothing personal.

[marjoram_blues]

Dalek - nice avoidance. Get back to the poor universe which you would have devoid of beings

[Dalek Prime]

Dalek - nice avoidance. Get back to the poor universe which you would have devoid of beings

Does a rock suffer, marjoram? Neither does the universe. Why? Again, because they have no awareness. Stop anthropomorphising the universe.

And stop trolling with stupid questions. You are not that stupid, so they cant possibly be serious questions.

[Harbal]

I always mean my insults in a caring, humane vein. Nothing personal.

OK, I'll take that into consideration when I come to a decision on what I'm going to do with you.

[marjoram_blues]

Dalek - nice avoidance. Get back to the poor universe which you would have devoid of beings

Does a rock suffer, marjoram? Neither does the universe. Why? Again, because they have no awareness. Stop anthropomorphizing the universe.

And stop trolling with stupid questions.

Hey, stop telling me what to do - it was your logical universe which started all this.

[Dalek Prime]

I always mean my insults in a caring, humane vein. Nothing personal.

OK, I'll take that into consideration when I come to a decision on what I'm going to do with you.

Let me help you there. In the control panel is a blocking mechanism. Paste my name, and presto...

[Dalek Prime]

Dalek - nice avoidance. Get back to the poor universe which you would have devoid of beings

Does a rock suffer, marjoram? Neither does the universe. Why? Again, because they have no awareness. Stop anthropomorphizing the universe.

And stop trolling with stupid questions.

Hey, stop telling me what to do - it was your logical universe which started all this.

Go jump in a lake.

Oh, sorry. Would you mind ever so gently, if it pleases you, to dive in a large body of water, whilst attached to a smallish minivan?