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Wootah, you're right... I really can't. But I must say to this person's defense that Freedom vs. Control is a classic topic and stands well together with Karl Popper's "The Open Society and Its Enemies". I therefore cherish this thread.

raijh, it can indeed be useful to express oneself in more words. So if you may, please... Otherwise, feel like at home...

I've already pointed to the nature of this forum and for the time being, there is no use to reject people who are obviously positively minded and don't post offensive hate-material... This is my angle, probably in line with most people's angle. I mean, it's just to write where you want to and ignore what you want to as well. You don't have to take everything seriously here!!

Cheers!

Prove myself? What am I to prove, exactly? Oh...I see...that I possess "profound knowledge." Gee, that bar sure looks awfully high to me. But, certainly, you must be a fair and just man. Let's see the bar you set for others.


Oh my. Why am I so special, Aetixintro? Why would you impose such a stark double-standard on me? I mean, I contribute clearly defended opinions, which goes beyond what most others can say, but that's not good enough for you (psst, when it comes to me). Oh, please, Profilic Poster of Nonsense, tell me why 'possessing profound knowledge' is my standard but 'just say anything' is raijh's?

I await yet another one of your posts, which we all know will make you an even more valuable member here. After all, quantity trumps quality everytime. Why demand anything of me if this site is truly "inclusive", though, as you claim? Oh, I know what you'll say: I didn't mean "all inclusive". And to this I'll say: Thank you for conceding the argument.

Wootah,

Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. I think you welcomed me in some other thread, and I meant to thank you there, so double-thanks.

I've enjoyed many of your posts. If Impenitent is reading: Dude, your comments kick ass.

Freedom it is a very thin thread. It is too difficult to understand.
Freedom similar to atheism. For them who can to understand - it is progres , but for them , who can't but ,live only outwardly freely it is regress

Freedom has his price .
If you are living in USA and you are poor - your freedom - to be clever and make yourself . But for this he need volition and selfcontrol - and if he want to get success he must to think very much and he must stick to the plan . It is his freedom. He can not afford to be frivolous .He hasn't right on good rest ,on good food ,on good clothes .
But if his parents are rich - he can afford many good things - he is free. He can be frivolous and go to disco. And he has right on rest ,on good food, on good clothes . His parent pays it for this " freedom".

All freedom - it is rights.
But rights - it is always money , what society spends at man . Freedom - it is cost of human life.
Money less - freedom less.
In extrem circumstances man has no rights , obligations only - it is time to work. Freedom - kind of rest.
If country has big economic problems - there will dictatorship.°

Liberals talking - we want , that in our society must to be all correctly.
But correctly - it is mean qualitatively.
But qualitatively it is not a choise - it is possibility - it is that , what we have . We cant to say - we want another variant - but variant it is only what we have made else some possibilities.
If we don't like ,that we have - we can to make something more progressive or we go back to start from beginning( regression).
Freedom is powered from responsibility progress and economic welfare.
Frivolousness - it is death of freedom.

Freedom, it would seem, is the right to post any old gibberish you want to. Control is choosing not to and in that choice freedom is exercised.

Welcome raijh. Yes, positivist propositions often get nailed in this forum. It seems though your ideas stem from a more 'cultural critique' or anthopology of sorts. But in that spirit, of power and cntrol, why has Paulo Friere not been mentioned. ? education and freedom and how control is taught, assumed and maintained.

I think , that Freedom will takes Christianity's place .
But now Christianity is not dead, and Freedom won't born. Today we live between two Great ideologies.
Christianity we will leave in yesterday . But freedom's ideology are not ready like a whole. Therefore we look like a modern artist , who want to make something greate , but don't knows what and how - because in art is crisis . Old canons - old , and artists try to create new canons. And in this creation he try to understand - What he want , What he feel .
But feeling it is not mind.
Feeling always says - I want , but sanity say - you should.
Christianity was control us - we didn't thought and to deside. But Freedom it is world when we must deside.
We must learning to think.

Exist three types of freedom.
" Control" - man must to do , what another man thinks.
" Freedom" - People do what they want. It mean they are slaves of money. Because people always want to live well , and for it they need money . They will think about money only . It will world , when life costs very small.
" State freedom " - It mean that people are free , but exist moral principles - what determine much development .

Feeling freedoms depend from society where the man are . If this society wants , that he develops his personality and his ability - that man can feel himself free.
But if society do not allows to develop ability and talants...He can to do some thing progresive , but to feel himself free he can't.
Fully freedom assumes free democratic society .

Freedom assumes results. If not results - freedom will be only craziness, haos , degradation.