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AS, if life is a struggle, kill yourself not others. Seriously, if a person is thinking of going postal today and reads this, please just kill yourself or seek counselling but don't kill others.

I'm 35. I've lived. A fetus hasn't even seen the sun shine yet. I think there is room for us both but if push comes to shove I would step off and every day that passes that decision becomes easier.

I have a lot of sympathy for your friend. There are too many horror stories like that.

I'll be sure to quote this to you as you offer your views on a philosophy site on a variety of topics to ensure that you are qualified to offer them and are not a low down dirty person who preaches from the pulpit when they know they have zero chance of ever being placed in such a position.

(Play fair pls.)

w:AS, if life is a struggle, kill yourself not others.

as: I don't understand your reasoning here. You think it is wrong to "kill" something that cannot sustain life without a host body, but you would want a woman or old person to kill or be killed. These are actual living beings not just the fantasy of future life. Cells don't even know there is a sun...they are not aware of life or death...an actual living breathing person is.

I think this all boils down to the same old story...people would rather punish than have compassion. What is more they use their fantasy world of religion to justify it. It's predictable.

W:I have a lot of sympathy for your friend. There are too many horror stories like that.

AS: She doesn't need sympathy...she needs cash. Unfortunately it doesn't look like help will be coming soon...the republicans in my country just voted down a bill that would have helped.

W:I'll be sure to quote this to you as you offer your views on a philosophy site on a variety of topics to ensure that you are qualified to offer them and are not a low down dirty person who preaches from the pulpit when they know they have zero chance of ever being placed in such a position.

AS: Quote this to me all you like Wootah. I know I am a low down dirty person...that is the difference between us.

It's simple economics. Life is precious, we experience it once. The older we get, the less time we have, the more we have experienced. If the choice is between new and old life the old life can move on and share a little. My position is that there is room for all.

Compassion for who is the issue.

Maybe her friends/local community can help?

I wouldn't do it (it would be 'not nice'). Since I think one of the fundamentals of my belief system is that I am a sinner then we can both claim that low ground. I suspect your use of low down dirty person is different in the two uses of it that you proffered.

w:Life is precious, we experience it once.

as: You don't know this for sure. Just as you don't know when 'life' begins. None of us do. So we are left with the facts. The fact is one entity thinks, breathes and feels and the other doesn't...at least not in the beginning. The fact is enslaving a person is wrong. So, the only logical conclusion is the real live host body gets to make the decision.

W: My position is that there is room for all.

AS: There is not room for all...we are fast running out of room. On an interesting side note...I am curious..What are your thoughts on in vitro fertilization? I have a friend who is against abortion. Her daughter is also against abortion and desperately wanted a child and could not get pregnant. Her and her husband decided they would try in vitro. They extracted her eggs and combined them with her husbands sperm and created several embryos which out of those they choose the most healthy few. I asked what they did with the lesser embryos...it turns out they destroy them. Now you mentioned that you think life begins at conception....so did my friend and her daughter. And yet they were able to destroy a "life" created outside her body. Now I happen to think there was nothing wrong with this....but it seems to me...that someone who was against abortion, would be against destroying embryo's period. What are your thoughts on the matter. I tend to believe that most people are all talk until it hits home.

W:Compassion for who is the issue.

AS: Correct. That is the issue. Compassion for an ideal or an actual living and breathing person. I chose reality.

W:Maybe her friends/local community can help?

AS: Her friends did help her...but she is losing them one by one because she has resorted to thievery. I don't blame her...she has to do what she has to do to keep her kids fed....but it doesn't have to be this way if conservatives would either put up or shut up.

You said - You don't know that for sure then you express surety about how much room there is for all. How come you get to be so sure of things and I'm not even remotely allowed to be sure that we only live once?

The weird - and odious - thing about the anti-abortion wankers is not their opposition to abortion per se.

It is their support for political causes that make abortion a much more attractive option. Anti-abortion types tend to be against:

-socialized medicine
-social assistance to people no low incomes
-subsized daycare

And of course Christians are much more likely than atheists (who are overwhelmingly pro-choice) to be in support of war in Iraq, for instance - which doubled the death rate of the Iraqi population - and yes, that includes lots of children.

In other words, anti-abortion wankers are not really serious when they go about about the sanctity of life bullshit.

W:You said - You don't know that for sure then you express surety about how much room there is for all.

AS:I said I don't know for sure we only experience life once...there is no way of knowing. As for the thing about how much room we have...well isn't it obvious? On this Earth there is limited space. Just in our short lives the population has increased...and with each generation producing more and more people it will continue to grow. Do you think there could be a time when we run out of room? I think the chances are good...hence the reason we are trying to figure out a solution to this problem.

W: How come you get to be so sure of things and I'm not even remotely allowed to be sure that we only live once?

AS: Oh that's easy...cause I got boobs.

Ahh but you forget how a man works ... if they can't get those boobs what do they care