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Re: Obviously what we want is a lot more guns

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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:17 pm
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:07 am
Given that folks in the US have a right to bear arms, and given that statistics reveal increased gun ownership correlates with a decrease in gun violence, then obviously the thread premise is correct, and more guns bring less trouble.
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In a country where folks do not have the right to own guns, talk of gun ownership and the effects of increase, is moot.
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Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:51 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:36 pm And what about that thing those idiots love to say, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'. No, but guns make it a heck of a lot easier. 'Nuclear bombs don't kill people--it's the people who drop them that kill people'. :roll:
Frankly I don't give a rat's arse what their gun laws are. The more the merrier :)

Ok. So this is considered normal in the ' home of the deranged and land of the intellect-free':

https://vimeo.com/201901344

Right.
Weapons are necessary but not sufficient for weapons to kill people.
Human killers and weapons are together necessary and sufficient for killing by means of weapons.

The minds of many Americans are passive victims of NRA propaganda.
That doen't mean anything. Please translate.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:22 pm Oh please. The constitution doesn't even say that. In fact it's pretty difficult to decipher exactly WHAT it's saying. It certainly doesn't look to me like it's saying every individual can own as many guns as they want, plus, their definition of a gun is hardly comparable to the tools for mass murder that you idiots collect like other people collect dolls and coins. And when was it written? You might as well say that because cavemen did something then it's ok for us to do it too.
That's exactly what it says with the phrase, "Shall not be infringed."

With the constitution as the basis of legality, if one has the means, one can own a tank.

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Guns are now restricted by regulation, not law.

Changing the constitution is the only way to legally ban guns.

Propaganda is likely the only way to change the constitution and ban guns, since the rules are so stringent about the consensus of agreement.

However, in this day and age, we don’t need no stinking rules.
The last presidential election, where Hillary Clinton rigged the primaries to defeat Bernie Sanders, is proof of that.

Without rules, desire is sufficient rationale, and in an age of granting all desires for oneself, if the rules prevent what we want, then the rules are wrong.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:24 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:22 pm Oh please. The constitution doesn't even say that. In fact it's pretty difficult to decipher exactly WHAT it's saying. It certainly doesn't look to me like it's saying every individual can own as many guns as they want, plus, their definition of a gun is hardly comparable to the tools for mass murder that you idiots collect like other people collect dolls and coins. And when was it written? You might as well say that because cavemen did something then it's ok for us to do it too.
That's exactly what it says with the phrase, "Shall not be infringed."

With the constitution as the basis of legality, if one has the means, one can own a tank.

*

Guns are now restricted by regulation, not law.

Changing the constitution is the only way to legally ban guns.

Propaganda is likely the only way to change the constitution and ban guns, since the rules are so stringent about the consensus of agreement.

However, in this day and age, we don’t need no stinking rules.
The last presidential election, where Hillary Clinton rigged the primaries to defeat Bernie Sanders, is proof of that.

Without rules, desire is sufficient rationale, and in an age of granting all desires for oneself, if the rules prevent what we want, then the rules are wrong.
As far as I can tell, it means a collective--not individuals. That said, I don't actually care. Have all the guns y'all want. Why should anyone else give a shit?

''A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people (not 'persons') to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.''
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 am
Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:51 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:36 pm And what about that thing those idiots love to say, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'. No, but guns make it a heck of a lot easier. 'Nuclear bombs don't kill people--it's the people who drop them that kill people'. :roll:
Frankly I don't give a rat's arse what their gun laws are. The more the merrier :)

Ok. So this is considered normal in the ' home of the deranged and land of the intellect-free':

https://vimeo.com/201901344

Right.
Weapons are necessary but not sufficient for weapons to kill people.
Human killers and weapons are together necessary and sufficient for killing by means of weapons.

The minds of many Americans are passive victims of NRA propaganda.
That doen't mean anything. Please translate.
Sorry. It takes both weapons and people to kill people. The National Rifle Association, the American gun lobby, is economically and politically powerful and its propaganda appeals to many religionists.
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Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:16 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 am
Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:51 am


Right.
Weapons are necessary but not sufficient for weapons to kill people.
Human killers and weapons are together necessary and sufficient for killing by means of weapons.

The minds of many Americans are passive victims of NRA propaganda.
That doen't mean anything. Please translate.
Sorry. It takes both weapons and people to kill people. The National Rifle Association, the American gun lobby, is economically and politically powerful and its propaganda appeals to many religionists.
Ok?
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Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:16 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 am
Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:51 am


Right.
Weapons are necessary but not sufficient for weapons to kill people.
Human killers and weapons are together necessary and sufficient for killing by means of weapons.

The minds of many Americans are passive victims of NRA propaganda.
That doen't mean anything. Please translate.
Sorry. It takes both weapons and people to kill people. The National Rifle Association, the American gun lobby, is economically and politically powerful and its propaganda appeals to many religionists.
Not as powerful as the talking-point asserts, when money talks, as the graphics show.

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Interesting to see who is buying influence.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:03 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:16 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 am

That doen't mean anything. Please translate.
Sorry. It takes both weapons and people to kill people. The National Rifle Association, the American gun lobby, is economically and politically powerful and its propaganda appeals to many religionists.
Not as powerful as the talking-point asserts, when money talks, as the graphics show.

Image

Image


Interesting to see who is buying influence.
The NRA doesn't need to, the arms manufacturers pay for it. And good acountants can easily hide/disguise funding. I have no idea what most of the other acronyms are.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:36 pm
Ok. So this is considered normal in the ' home of the deranged and land of the intellect-free':

https://vimeo.com/201901344
Obscene.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:24 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:22 pm Oh please. The constitution doesn't even say that. In fact it's pretty difficult to decipher exactly WHAT it's saying. It certainly doesn't look to me like it's saying every individual can own as many guns as they want, plus, their definition of a gun is hardly comparable to the tools for mass murder that you idiots collect like other people collect dolls and coins. And when was it written? You might as well say that because cavemen did something then it's ok for us to do it too.
That's exactly what it says with the phrase, "Shall not be infringed."
So keep your musket, that takes 45secs to reload, your bow n' arrows and your sword.

But i think you might want to grow up and smell the coffee as they say in the land of the stupid.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:24 am

That's exactly what it says with the phrase, "Shall not be infringed."

With the constitution as the basis of legality, if one has the means, one can own a tank.

''A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people (not 'persons') to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.''

Where does it say that every individual can arm themselves as they please? Do you know what 'militia' means? Do you know what 'the people' means? If they meant individuals they would have written 'every man', in the style of the day.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:14 pm
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:24 am

That's exactly what it says with the phrase, "Shall not be infringed."

With the constitution as the basis of legality, if one has the means, one can own a tank.

''A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people (not 'persons') to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.''

Where does it say that every individual can arm themselves as they please? Do you know what 'militia' means? Do you know what 'the people' means? If they meant individuals they would have written 'every man', in the style of the day.
The men that wrote that were British intellectuals. The people that read it now are morons from the world's foremost idiocracy.
You can't expect them do understand subtlety.
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Interesting.

''Winkler, the UCLA professor, said that during the 1970s, a “revolt among the membership profoundly altered the NRA overnight. Since the 1930s, the group had supported restrictions on machine guns and public carry, but angry hardliners took control over the organization in 1977, when moderates wanted to retreat from lobbying work. The group then began a decades-long campaign to popularize its uncompromising positions.''
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:23 pm The men that wrote that were British intellectuals. The people that read it now are morons from the world's foremost idiocracy.
You can't expect them do understand subtlety.
Folks have the right to bear arms, but not only for hunting foxes with the hounds, which is a rather bloodthirsty pastime from jolly old England, and hardly sporting.

The meaning of the Constitution is be interpreted in light of the Declaration of Independence.

Whims of fashion or PC don’t interpret the Constitution.

Or, at least they should not.

What’s all the hubbub, anyway?

Just change the Constitution according to the rules.

Thinking outside the box is a loaded weapon when applied to morons or idiots, to borrow labels from your powers of reasoning.
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Simple question:

Why did the murderer take so many guns up to the suite?
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