Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue

[Walker]

Then you don't know what you are talking about.

I think I do as I listen to my friends who live and work in America. That one thinks they have a home in a country when they are not a citizen of it is an emotional delusion that can easily be shattered if a country decides to. If one is a citizen/subject however it becomes much harder to deport someone as where do you send them to? Of course the Nazi et al disprove this but in that situation it's a choice to stay and fight for what you believe is your country or run or be deported. Those with green cards have the right to reside only as long as the govt decides to keep issuing their visas. They might consider it their home but it isn't, to make it more securely their home they have to become citizens/subjects. Just my opinion mind.

As you will no doubt have tried to ignore, the Trump ban is now overthrown by the court and his appeal denied.
It seems the American justice system knows more about what it is like to have a green card than you do, thankfully.

The referenced "court" = 1 federal judge.

That was easy enough. Issue settled. Case closed.

Then again, a temporary halt of an official presidential decision by a judge through injunction is not throwing the decision out of court, but why quibble.

[Walker]

... and his appeal denied.
It seems the American justice system knows more about what it is like to have a green card than you do, thankfully.

Don’t be such a sucker for headlines.

It’s the weekend.

The organized opposition to the POTUS pulled this at the end of the week, so it would fester in the news over the weekend.

On the weekend, a federal appeal court equates to another judge on a golf-course talking on a cell phone.

Maybe the Dems have Judge Smails on speed dial.

Judge Smails's winter rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCvgMNnM3OA

[Hobbes' Choice]

... and his appeal denied.
It seems the American justice system knows more about what it is like to have a green card than you do, thankfully.

Don’t be such a sucker for headlines.

Since you have your head right up your own arse I don't think you are in a position to judge.

[Arising_uk]

As you will no doubt have tried to ignore, the Trump ban is now overthrown by the court and his appeal denied. ...

No it's not it's just been suspended. I thought it would take their Supreme Court to do such stuff?

It seems the American justice system knows more about what it is like to have a green card than you do, thankfully.

Nice irony that the judge was a Bush appointee.

[Hobbes' Choice]

As you will no doubt have tried to ignore, the Trump ban is now overthrown by the court and his appeal denied. ...

No it's not it's just been suspended. I thought it would take their Supreme Court to do such stuff?

It seems the American justice system knows more about what it is like to have a green card than you do, thankfully.

Nice irony that the judge was a Bush appointee.

How so?

[Arising_uk]

You don't think a Bush appointed judge thwarting the Trumpette for a while is ironic? Maybe not.

[Hobbes' Choice]

You don't think a Bush appointed judge thwarting the Trumpette for a while is ironic? Maybe not.

Assuming most people are a little smarter than Trump I don't think this is ironic. What it is is an indication of just how dangerously to the right the US has become with the appointment of Trump that a right wing judge think he goes to far.

[Arising_uk]

That's a laugh. The US has always been dangerously right-wing and the Trumpette is nothing that new in their history with respect to violence and hatred towards the latest immigrants.

Personally I think the judge just ruled on a matter of Law - not because of politics. Hence it's just a suspension until their Supreme Court makes a ruling.

[Walker]

That's a laugh. The US has always been dangerously right-wing and the Trumpette is nothing that new in their history with respect to violence and hatred towards the latest immigrants.

Personally I think the judge just ruled on a matter of Law - not because of politics. Hence it's just a suspension until their Supreme Court makes a ruling.

If you look past the tea leaves, the obstruction is purely political without legal basis.
Judicial overreach is a common delay tactic of the Progs, and this is what’s going on.
The Progs are slowing events down to catch their breath.
President Trump is too fast on his feet.
After all, he was a results oriented businessman.
The process of government is to balance the power of the rulers.
In boxing terms, the Left put the president in a clinch.

The act of obstruction also serves the Progs to buy time and spin propaganda.
Many major media outlets that served as house organs for the Progressive Clinton Presidential Campaign represent the old establishment that have their heels dug in deep with the special interests.

No irony at all that the obstructionist judge is a Bush appointee.
Bush hates Trump.
For whatever worth his voice and connections carry, Bush represents the establishment.

The obstructionist judge is under the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Court.
Silicon Valley territory.
What a coincidence.

Who doesn’t want the carefully crafted, lobbyist influenced, current immigration setup to be tampered and tinkered by some outsider who didn’t win the presidency by whoring himself out to special interests?

That would be the special interests themselves, who the lobbyists represent, who have their heels dug in deep to the status quo that they have crafted for themselves, with the altruistic cooperation of high-minded politicians who are beholden.

The 9th Circuit court of appeals has to decide if it wants to back a shaky legal argument to buck President Trump, or if it wants to pass the buck on to the Supremes.

[Arising_uk]

...
If you look past the tea leaves, the obstruction is purely political without legal basis.
Judicial overreach is a common delay tactic of the Progs, and this is what’s going on. ...

He was a Bush appointee apparently?

Are you saying your legal system is corrupt over there?

The Progs are slowing events down to catch their breath.
President Trump is too fast on his feet.
After all, he was a results oriented businessman. ...

I don't know why you make so much of his business acumen? After all he's been bankrupt what four times and he won't release his tax returns so we have no idea if he is flush or bankrupt again. On top of that he and his dad made their money off the taxpayer through government schemes and dodgy banking practices. All this nonsense about him being 'one of us' is a farce.

The process of government is to balance the power of the rulers.
In boxing terms, the Left put the president in a clinch. ...

Sounds like nonsense as it looks like your checks and balances on presidential power have long been gone.

The act of obstrution also serves the Progs to buy time and spin propaganda. ...

Since when have Bushites become progressives?

Many major media outlets that served as house organs for the Progressive Clinton Presidential Campaign represent the old establishment that have their heels dug in deep with the special interests. ...

LMAO! And Trump repealing laws on Banks and Oil companies is what?

No irony at all that the obstructionist judge is a Bush appointee.
Bush hates Trump.
For whatever worth his voice and connections carry, Bush represents the establishment.

Viva El Presidente in no time at all I think.

The obstructionist judge is under the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Court.
Silicon Valley territory.
What a coincidence.

Yeah! What a place eh! Just about the best money-earner in your country - what a bunch of wasters they should get real jobs digging coal and making shite cars.

Who doesn’t want the carefully crafted, lobbyist influenced, current immigration setup to be tampered and tinkered by some outsider who didn’t win the presidency by whoring himself out to special interests? ...

And a president who's apparently whoring himself to the banks,oil barons and foreign powers is what?

That would be the special interests themselves, who the lobbyists represent, who have their heels dug in deep to the status quo that they have crafted for themselves, with the altruistic cooperation of high-minded politicians who are beholden.

Your whole electoral system is all special interests as is American politics and always has been.

The 9th Circuit court of appeals has to decide if it wants to back a shaky legal argument to buck President Trump, or if it wants to pass the buck on to the Supremes.

Time to do away with these pesky checks and balances eh! Viva El Presidente

[Walker]

Are you actually attempting to challenge the notion that President Trump is not a flawless saint delivered to the earth by God to save mankind?

Well then, continue making your case.




The shaping of immigration policy to benefit special business interests is what’s going on in this particular case of obstructing the president’s informed judgment concerning national security, judgment shaped by factors of which some hick judge nestled in the utopia of West coast interests would be ignorant of, since such access is above his pay grade.

This isn’t speculation.

It says so right in black and white.
This is Progressive turf.
Pelosi, Feinstein, 9th Circuit.
This is why the Lala Land Battlefield was selected.

Tech Industry’s Filing Against Travel Ban
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... Brief.html

[Walker]

And a president who's apparently whoring himself to the banks,oil barons and foreign powers is what?

That is not at all apparent.
Energy resources are the life blood, oil is the basis for much in modern life, and in President Trump's world view this is the priority, because it of benefit to the country and its citizens.

Hiring foreign workers is of benefit to the corporations.
It is not a benefit to the jobless citizens of the host country, who are passed over for the foreign workers.

In recent years US student interest in computer tech has lagged.
The gap is filled with foreign workers.

Easily enough US talent could be cultivated with scholarship programs from industry.
Lots of scholarships that pay on merit, and pay a lot.
Then they would have all the talent they need.

Tech develops too quickly for the slow pace of university education, which just educates in the basics.
Those who ride the crest of cutting edge are those required to stay competitive these days, and that takes a lot of individual interest and initiative, which a kid can't buy at a university.

Short-sightedness to benefit the corp. and sell out the long-range interests of the host country has long been the swampy paradigm.

[Arising_uk]

...
The shaping of immigration policy to benefit special business interests is what’s going on in this particular case of obstructing the president’s informed judgment concerning national security, judgment shaped by factors of which some hick judge nestled in the utopia of West coast interests would be ignorant of, since such access is above his pay grade. ...

Well apparently he's going by Obama's list, a list that ignores countries where actual terrorists have come from? So a judgement shaped by business interests then as it appears not one of the countries where he has interests in has been banned.

Given most appear to wish to settle in LaLa Land so they're likely to be a high-priority target and that land appears to pay for itself very well I think the rest of your hick states ought to take a look about how to face the future rather than pining for the mines and factory floors again.

This isn’t speculation.

But he's a Bush appointed judge and I'm guessing at the time most disliked by these 'progs' of yours.

Still, I thought this was all about your founding fathers checks and balances?

It says so right in black and white.
This is Progressive turf.
Pelosi, Feinstein, 9th Circuit.
This is why the Lala Land Battlefield was selected.

Then I assume another judge in redneck land can overturn it?

Tech Industry’s Filing Against Travel Ban
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... Brief.html

Well you are a land of lawyers and a written constitution so is this not how its supposed to work.

[Walker]

The length of delay for cabinet confirmations is historic.

Trump still is not close to having his people in place to fulfill his promises.

Progs are trying to disrupt the transition of power in this way, and by any other means necessary.

It's what they do.

They sure can't run the country.


It’s obstruction.

The purpose is to delay.

The Progs don’t have the votes to stop the legal process.

It’s a clinch.



To while away the time, the media will smear whoever the Progs point to.

[Walker]

Here you go.
Mr. Lowery lays out the facts, which are straightforward enough.

No big mystery about what's going on.

It's purely politics, plain and simple.
The purpose of the politics has been explained.

The first sentence in Mr. Lowery's evaluation of the facts is not simply rhetorical.
That one brief sentence sums up a key point in the whole shenanigans. (personanigans?)

Sorry: Trump’s immigration order is totally legal
http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/sorry-trum ... lly-legal/