Why is slavery immoral?

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Why is slavery immoral?

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Some people are undoubtedly irredeemable (serial murderers, cannibals, terrorists etc) so why shouldn't we enslave them and force them to do manual labor? Is there a good reason not to enslave them?
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Vormulak wrote:Some people are undoubtedly irredeemable (serial murderers, cannibals, terrorists etc) so why shouldn't we enslave them and force them to do manual labor? Is there a good reason not to enslave them?
Yeah. That would make us slavers and just as bad as them. Then we would have to enslave ourselves and pretty soon there would only be slaves and no slave owners.
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The US has reinvented slavery with its ludicrously high prison population (ironcally with a disproportionate number of black inmates).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison ... avery/8289
If you think that treating people like shit is 'moral' then you will believe slavery is 'moral'.

Why do people talk about 'morality' as though it's an entity in itself? There is no such thing as 'morality'. Morality is empathy and compassion, and it's certainly not exclusive to humans.
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Bob Evenson is already a slave to his fictional mind that makes him immoral. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Slavery is not immoral. It's just an incredibly dumb idea. No person of mettle woukd submit to such a thing. Joe Mankiller is caught and enslaved...the reasonable expectation is Joe is gonna try to escape...to expect Joe to say 'I'm bad and deserve enslavement' is dumb.

Today, all the Joe and Josephine Mankillers would gleefully stroll out of prison if the doors were opened. Not a one is gonna stay in the hooscow voluntarily.

To expect slaves to submit cuz they deserve it is dumb.

Nope, shoot 'em and be done with them.
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henry quirk wrote:Slavery is not immoral. It's just an incredibly dumb idea. No person of mettle woukd submit to such a thing. Joe Mankiller is caught and enslaved...the reasonable expectation is Joe is gonna try to escape...to expect Joe to say 'I'm bad and deserve enslavement' is dumb.

Today, all the Joe and Josephine Mankillers would gleefully stroll out of prison if the doors were opened. Not a one is gonna stay in the hooscow voluntarily.

To expect slaves to submit cuz they deserve it is dumb.

Nope, shoot 'em and be done with them.
It's noted that women will stick by their abusive husbands and are into pain (e.g. being spanked) which I regard as slavery.

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Any number of weak-willed, characterless, types submit to all kinds of indignities.

I figure they get what they deserve.
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Yes, the noble savage. It's much better to starve to death a free man, than to be fed and have something to do as a slave. Has anyone thought to ask the individual in question, what they want? Most property owners will take reasonably good care of their property, only a foolish person will intentionally damage what they have paid money for.
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Vormulak wrote:Some people are undoubtedly irredeemable (serial murderers, cannibals, terrorists etc) so why shouldn't we enslave them and force them to do manual labor? Is there a good reason not to enslave them?
i think this might just not work for purely practical reasons, without having to get into discussion.

given the amount of supervision serial killers, cannibals, etc would require when doing their work ( as opposed to being simply confined to a cell) this strikes me as just too much work
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Vormulak wrote:Some people are undoubtedly irredeemable (serial murderers, cannibals, terrorists etc) so why shouldn't we enslave them and force them to do manual labor? Is there a good reason not to enslave them?
It should be said that prisoners do work for which they are not fully remunerated (and rightly so IMO) so, if not slavery, they are at least in some small way working off some of their debt to society (including the continued cost of accommodating and isolating them to keep others safe).

My view is that any inmate who is a menace or bully to other inmates - the worst of the worst - should be executed. It's more merciful for their victims both in and out of prison, and reduces the problems caused by previously nonviolent inmates who are scarred and damaged by abuse while serving their term.
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Greta wrote:
Vormulak wrote:Some people are undoubtedly irredeemable (serial murderers, cannibals, terrorists etc) so why shouldn't we enslave them and force them to do manual labor? Is there a good reason not to enslave them?
It should be said that prisoners do work for which they are not fully remunerated (and rightly so IMO) so, if not slavery, they are at least in some small way working off some of their debt to society (including the continued cost of accommodating and isolating them to keep others safe).

My view is that any inmate who is a menace or bully to other inmates - the worst of the worst - should be executed. It's more merciful for their victims both in and out of prison, and reduces the problems caused by previously nonviolent inmates who are scarred and damaged by abuse while serving their term.
You could add 'j' walkers, spitters, people who cheat at the checkouts, queue-jumpers....How about we just execute anyone who is annoying?
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The question shouldn't be posed as it should be very self explanatory, if one can't fire out such simple things, one will fail at the more advanced things in life.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You could add 'j' walkers, spitters, people who cheat at the checkouts, queue-jumpers....How about we just execute anyone who is annoying?
No, just inmates who bash and rape others.
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Greta wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You could add 'j' walkers, spitters, people who cheat at the checkouts, queue-jumpers....How about we just execute anyone who is annoying?
No, just inmates who bash and rape others.
Even if it's your son or your brother...? Or you? American prisons are brutal, dehumanising places. People lie. Will these 'bashers' have a trial? What if they were provoked? Or lied about? Prisoners lie a lot. What about all the innocent people who get locked up? You do realise juries get it wrong a heck of a lot of the time? I'm very surprised you would be so pro death penalty, going by your generally thoughtful comments.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Greta wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You could add 'j' walkers, spitters, people who cheat at the checkouts, queue-jumpers....How about we just execute anyone who is annoying?
No, just inmates who bash and rape others.
Even if it's your son or your brother...? Or you? American prisons are brutal, dehumanising places. People lie. Will these 'bashers' have a trial? What if they were provoked? Or lied about? Prisoners lie a lot. What about all the innocent people who get locked up? You do realise juries get it wrong a heck of a lot of the time? I'm very surprised you would be so pro death penalty, going by your generally thoughtful comments.
It's utilitarianism, Veggie. The main rapists and bullies in prison are well enough known in there. Nonviolent inmates are brutalised and turned violent. The raped try to reclaim their masculinity by raping women. Or simply become even more dysfunctional. Inmates are made worse, not better, and it's the worst psychopaths who do most of the damage. Out of seven billion people I think we can let some irredeemably and contagiously toxic psychopaths go. Each vicious prison bully gone means dozens, even hundreds (over a period) of inmates whose rehabilitation will be less jeopardised.

In a way it's more humane to kill than to keep caged for life, which is essentially prolonged low level torture.
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