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marjoram_blues wrote:
Would you have a Banksy?
I would definitely give it preference over a Pluto.
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marjoram_blues wrote: I'm talking about if he were famous and graffed on a piece of garden wall...
Providing it was on the outside of the wall and the financial benefit was considerable, I would give it some thought.
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Harbal wrote:
marjoram_blues wrote:
Would you have a Banksy?
I would definitely give it preference over a Pluto.
Where is the Pluto bashing coming from? My work has made you re-examine your own view of what can be art and that hurts?
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Melchior wrote:Graffiti are, not is....
In Italian, the word graffiti is a plural noun, and its singular form is graffito. Traditionally, the same distinction has been maintained in English, so that graffiti, being plural, would require a plural verb: ‘the graffiti were all over the wall’. By the same token, the singular would require a singular verb: ‘there was a graffito on the wall’. Today these distinctions survive in some specialist fields such as archaeology, but sound odd to most native speakers. The most common modern use is to treat graffiti as if it were a mass noun, similar to a word like writing, and not to use graffito at all. In this case, graffiti takes a singular verb, as in ‘the graffiti was all over the wall’. Such uses are now widely accepted as standard and may be regarded as part of the natural development of the language, rather than as mistakes. A similar process is going on with other words such as agenda, data, and media.
Balderdash, it's plain ignorance...

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Melchior wrote: Balderdash, it's plain ignorance...
You've been over ruled by the majority.
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Harbal wrote: My work has made you re-examine your own view of what can be art and that hurts?
Well I still don't want you painting on my wall.
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Graffiti is Physical Graffiti by Led Zeppelin which is their musical apogee and one of the greatest rock albums of all time

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surreptitious57 wrote:
Graffiti is Physical Graffiti by Led Zeppelin which is their musical apogee and one of the greatest rock albums of all time

I learn something new every day :)
Is there any track related to 'physical graffit' or how did it get its name?

Made me think of graffiti as 'Mental' - what would that look like ???
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Love it. Males pissing against a wall. So, I wonder how many female graff-persons there are compared to males ? Is it a 'man' thing ? How high can you go?
What would the female equivalent be...
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Greta wrote:Image
Love it. Males pissing against a wall. So, I wonder how many female graff-persons there are compared to males ? Is it a 'man' thing ? How high can you go?
What would the female equivalent be...
An alcoholic. The negativity that fuels pissing on also fuels alcoholism.
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marjoram_blues wrote:
Greta wrote:Image
Love it. Males pissing against a wall. So, I wonder how many female graff-persons there are compared to males ? Is it a 'man' thing ? How high can you go?
What would the female equivalent be...
An alcoholic. The negativity that fuels pissing on also fuels alcoholism.
Hmmm, I was thinking that the expression of the pissing on the wall was about pissing people off, and related to a power contest. Ownership.
Not necessarily from negativity but an active way of making a point, eg anger about perceived or real injustice.
Any injustices can apply equally to humans or animals. Humans have all kinds of ways to protest this, and can be heard. Dogs not so much.

Any negativity felt as a result of eg Injustice may indeeed fuel alcoholism, or not. Anyone can be affected, and there are different reasons. Why would any female equivalent of the graffing, 'pissing against a wall' and the control/power issue, be to become an alcoholic? This seems a bit derogatory...

I was wondering if there was any great difference as to how individuals would resort to rough and ready graffiti, or the more thoughtful, artistic type. For whatever reason, I associate graffiti with disaffected young males. And I don't know why...
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Walker wrote:An alcoholic. The negativity that fuels pissing on also fuels alcoholism.
majoram_blues wrote:Hmmm, I was thinking that the expression of the pissing on the wall was about pissing people off, and related to a power contest. Ownership.
Not necessarily from negativity but an active way of making a point, eg anger about perceived or real injustice.
Any injustices can apply equally to humans or animals. Humans have all kinds of ways to protest this, and can be heard. Dogs not so much.

Any negativity felt as a result of eg Injustice may indeeed fuel alcoholism, or not. Anyone can be affected, and there are different reasons. Why would any female equivalent of the graffing, 'pissing against a wall' and the control/power issue, be to become an alcoholic? This seems a bit derogatory...

I was wondering if there was any great difference as to how individuals would resort to rough and ready graffiti, or the more thoughtful, artistic type. For whatever reason, I associate graffiti with disaffected young males. And I don't know why...
The key word is “on.” Not pissing off. Pissing on. To piss on something is to disrespect it. To disrespect is negative, even though in your opinion the disrespect may be deserved. To piss on requires a perch of a greater height, and pissers often consider their perch to be considerably higher, even if it is lower by status quo standards. To piss on lies at the root of alcoholism, as it lies at the root of all self-destruction. Smoking, drugs, etc. These acts are done with full cognizance of the consequences, are initially done because of that cognizance, before pissing on gives way to dependence.

Graffiti pisses on property rights, plain and simple. That’s the point of it. Though the artwork can be fantastic, especially to eyes raised on comic books.

I remember reading an incident, must be a few years ago by now. Some graffiti artists of underground fame had covered a building with some fantastic work. The owner decided it was time to paint his building, so he did. House paint. I think the artists sued. :lol: What a high opinion they have of themselves that expands the traditional graffiti path of anonymous, everyman rebellion ... Kilroy was here.

They have a problem so they sue. The problem to them is that their art was covered. Self-cherishing is the cause of all problems. Self-cherishing is not the root of graffiti. The root is to do your best on a boxcar and wave goodbye.
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marjoram_blues wrote:Hmmm, I was thinking that the expression of the pissing on the wall was about pissing people off, and related to a power contest. Ownership.

Not necessarily from negativity but an active way of making a point, eg anger about perceived or real injustice.
Any injustices can apply equally to humans or animals. Humans have all kinds of ways to protest this, and can be heard. Dogs not so much.

... I was wondering if there was any great difference as to how individuals would resort to rough and ready graffiti, or the more thoughtful, artistic type. For whatever reason, I associate graffiti with disaffected young males. And I don't know why...
Animals just as much - delineation of territory boundaries - saying, "This is my place" or "I was here". The sentiment is the very basis of expression as a separate entity in this world.

Consider the intended message of informal public messaging and the anticipated understanding of the messages. A dog provides a chemical mix that tells other dogs of her presence, her recent diet and her emotional state at the time. Since humans are more visual than olfactory, boys use graffiti to announce their presence, their courage in risking punishment by authorities and their coordination via the flow of their tags' strokes. They might also display strength and courage by scrawling in difficult-to-reach places, or they might show off their artistic skills, if present.

It's a form of display behaviour and it provides trivial empowerment for the weak who are itching to be empowered, but restricted and lacking alternative outlets. Ancient Romans, Greeks and Egyptians used graffiti as expression and social commentary, somewhat like Twitter today, but now those with the means, intelligence and wit can easily express themselves online, leaving the remainder to paint tags and pictures on walls (although there's no doubt experiential and bonding appeals due to its illegality).
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Greta wrote:
marjoram_blues wrote:Hmmm, I was thinking that the expression of the pissing on the wall was about pissing people off, and related to a power contest. Ownership.

Not necessarily from negativity but an active way of making a point, eg anger about perceived or real injustice.
Any injustices can apply equally to humans or animals. Humans have all kinds of ways to protest this, and can be heard. Dogs not so much.

... I was wondering if there was any great difference as to how individuals would resort to rough and ready graffiti, or the more thoughtful, artistic type. For whatever reason, I associate graffiti with disaffected young males. And I don't know why...
Animals just as much - delineation of territory boundaries - saying, "This is my place" or "I was here". The sentiment is the very basis of expression as a separate entity in this world.

Consider the intended message of informal public messaging and the anticipated understanding of the messages. A dog provides a chemical mix that tells other dogs of her presence, her recent diet and her emotional state at the time. Since humans are more visual than olfactory, boys use graffiti to announce their presence, their courage in risking punishment by authorities and their coordination via the flow of their tags' strokes. They might also display strength and courage by scrawling in difficult-to-reach places, or they might show off their artistic skills, if present.

It's a form of display behaviour and it provides trivial empowerment for the weak who are itching to be empowered, but restricted and lacking alternative outlets. Ancient Romans, Greeks and Egyptians used graffiti as expression and social commentary, somewhat like Twitter today, but now those with the means, intelligence and wit can easily express themselves online, leaving the remainder to paint tags and pictures on walls (although there's no doubt experiential and bonding appeals due to its illegality).
With really good paintings the animals change from one viewing to the next. I was once reading an article about a mural painter who used a German-made paint guaranteed to last a hundred years. Very expensive. To use such expensive and lasting paint, in order to create stunning tangible expression of imagination working with a medium, to alter the mundane with beauty as the only ethical guide of propriety, to alter viewers’ state of consciousness to a change similar and for a time advanced beyond what was, and to do this unnoticed so that the intent suddenly appears as a new reality on the urban landscape and a new reality momentarily rolling through the countryside, quite an art for the sake of art coup.
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In reference to “enemy and comrade” referenced in the coup link (pronounce coo like a dove), of course in modern day coup-counting the enemy is ignorance and the comrades are the sangha which is one of the three jewels of refuge discovered by Buddha (himself being another jewel, how modest).
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