Conscious decision is impossible
Conscious decision is impossible
1) We need at least two choices for a decision
2) We can be conscious of one choice at any given time
3) Therefore conscious decision is impossible
2) We can be conscious of one choice at any given time
3) Therefore conscious decision is impossible
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I did not consciously decide to reply to this thread which you did not consciously decide to create...
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Consciousness, as choice, is merely a mediation between two extremes as the extremes themselves imply a lack of awareness. Mediation, in these regards, observe an awareness of both.
Consciousness, as mediation, is trifold in nature through a form of measurement (between extremes) as synthesis.
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I disagree. Some choices aren't really choices for some people so there is only one true choice for such people. Different people place different values on choices. You can decide on something without taking into consideration other paths.
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I am familiar with such a argument. Please tell me what is wrong with my argument.Impenitent wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 5:18 pm I did not consciously decide to reply to this thread which you did not consciously decide to create...
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So you are saying that we are unaware of two extremes when we are conscious of them?Eodnhoj7 wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 7:10 pmConsciousness, as choice, is merely a mediation between two extremes as the extremes themselves imply a lack of awareness. Mediation, in these regards, observe an awareness of both.
Consciousness, as mediation, is trifold in nature through a form of measurement (between extremes) as synthesis.
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Could you please tell me what is wrong with my argument since your words doesn't take me anywhere?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 7:24 pmI disagree. Some choices aren't really choices for some people so there is only one true choice for such people. Different people place different values on choices. You can decide on something without taking into consideration other paths.
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No. 1bahman wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:03 pmCould you please tell me what is wrong with my argument since your words doesn't take me anywhere?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 7:24 pmI disagree. Some choices aren't really choices for some people so there is only one true choice for such people. Different people place different values on choices. You can decide on something without taking into consideration other paths.
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What do you need the decision for if you just have an option?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:11 pmNo. 1bahman wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:03 pmCould you please tell me what is wrong with my argument since your words doesn't take me anywhere?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 7:24 pm I disagree. Some choices aren't really choices for some people so there is only one true choice for such people. Different people place different values on choices. You can decide on something without taking into consideration other paths.
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I'm saying you don't need two choices for a decision.bahman wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:27 pmWhat do you need the decision for if you just have an option?
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So why do you said that (1) is wrong?Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:31 pmI'm saying you don't need two choices for a decision.
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that would require me to consciously decide to construct phrases that would facilitate your conscious decision to accept or deny thembahman wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 1:59 pmI am familiar with such a argument. Please tell me what is wrong with my argument.Impenitent wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 5:18 pm I did not consciously decide to reply to this thread which you did not consciously decide to create...
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If we are aware of two extremes we observe a median between the two. If we commit to one extreme route, claiming its polar opposite is the real extreme, we are unaware of the extreme we commit too.bahman wrote: โSun Dec 31, 2017 2:01 pmSo you are saying that we are unaware of two extremes when we are conscious of them?Eodnhoj7 wrote: โSat Dec 30, 2017 7:10 pmConsciousness, as choice, is merely a mediation between two extremes as the extremes themselves imply a lack of awareness. Mediation, in these regards, observe an awareness of both.
Consciousness, as mediation, is trifold in nature through a form of measurement (between extremes) as synthesis.
If I observe the polar opposite is an extreme position, and the position I am claiming is also extreme, by default we can observe a medial ground between the two.
So a medial route understands both extremes, while the person committing to an extreme position does not always know its extreme nature. Observing the nature of reality through a lense of duality causes the problem of "extremes".
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"2) We can be conscious of one choice at any given time"
Not so. Right now I got two notions in my head: to finish this responses, or, stop and get a cup of coffee. Both options are very clear, and simultaneous, for me.
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I chose the coffee
The problem you have: you're imposing the limitation of language on thinking (we write and speak in sequence but we can hold multiple images/options in the mind's eye simultaneously [well, I can...mebbe you can't]).
Not so. Right now I got two notions in my head: to finish this responses, or, stop and get a cup of coffee. Both options are very clear, and simultaneous, for me.
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I chose the coffee
The problem you have: you're imposing the limitation of language on thinking (we write and speak in sequence but we can hold multiple images/options in the mind's eye simultaneously [well, I can...mebbe you can't]).