Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:34 pm
In itself it's got nothing to do with evolution. It's simply an intelligence ploy. You might as well ask...
why do we feel we have a soul
why do we believe in god
why do we believe in resurrection or reincarnation
why do we believe in anything regarding life after death
why do we believe that consciousness has a special mandate
why do we believe in anything that's not proven.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:04 am
To sustain a parallel to the original post, we would require not asking "Why do we feel we have a soul?" etc, but "why has evolution helped us feel that we have a soul?"
What you say is true but the implication was that evolution created that degree of consciousness which resulted in the kind of intelligence humans normally possess making the idea of soul and all such speculations to be its direct consequence. I can't see anything in the processes of evolution that would cause us to feel that way, allow or disallow it, not for any explicit purpose anyways.
So... if I show you that such notions as soul, reincarnation, realizing our conscious, reflecting on the afterlife, etc., and such speculations are a direct consequence not only of human intellect, but other aspects that developed due to evolutionary forces... will you see them? I mean, if I take the trouble and come up with scenarios and pervasive enough scenarios that SHOW TO BE SEEN that evolutionary process helped man create and sustain these impressions, then will you see the point?
This is actually asking, "are you emotionally so committed to your opinion in this matter, that if you see counter-examples of your theory, then you still won't abandon your theory? or are you not so strongly committed to your opinion."
Depending on your answer I will show you how these notions actually helped survival of the individuals who possessed them better over the chances for survival of individuals who did not have them. I don't promise to show for them all, but only because that would become tedious work; I'll show you a few, and you can work out the rest yourself, if you so desire.
But I am not willing to fight another pointless convincing battle. Therefore I ask you to please agree first to the terms: logic rules, and if it means to change your convictions or even your values, you capitulate to logic nevertheless.
I have had enough trouble on this site due to not enforcing this last rule before engaging in a debate.