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commonsense
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Boomers find fault with Millennials; Millennials find fault with Boomers. Whether it concerns work/life balance or work ethic, whether it concerns relationships or relatives, whether green or greenbacks, early adapters or Luddites, anti-heroes or heroes, there often seems to be a dichotomy of judgment by one generation of the other, more so, perhaps, with Millennials and Boomers than with any other generations.

What can a Boomer learn from a Millennial? What can a Boomer teach a Millennial? What would a Millennial want a Boomer to understand about Millennials. What does a Millennial need to understand about Boomers? Is it too soon to bring Generation Z under the kind of scrutiny already given to Boomers and Millennials, and has Gen X become invisible to everyone but themselves? Can ageism be a positive thing? As human longevity increases, what can society's oldest citizens contribute to the welfare of others? Have seniors earned their position of entitlement due to their earlier efforts? Aren't newer generations entitled to respect from their elders? Have people's values changed over time--for the better or the worse?

I see an opportunity for diverse commentary and argument. Take a stab at any of the above. Identify your generation or do not. Respond from studied opinion or personal experience. Have at it any way you want.
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old people have been "corrupting the youth" for eons...

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Impenitent wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:57 am old people have been "corrupting the youth" for eons...

-Imp
I agree. But this is not the fault of the elder ones, they were once young, and thus were also corrupted.
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Re: Boomers::Millennials

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commonsense wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:55 am Boomers find fault with Millennials; Millennials find fault with Boomers. Whether it concerns work/life balance or work ethic, whether it concerns relationships or relatives, whether green or greenbacks, early adapters or Luddites, anti-heroes or heroes, there often seems to be a dichotomy of judgment by one generation of the other, more so, perhaps, with Millennials and Boomers than with any other generations.

What can a Boomer learn from a Millennial? What can a Boomer teach a Millennial? What would a Millennial want a Boomer to understand about Millennials. What does a Millennial need to understand about Boomers? Is it too soon to bring Generation Z under the kind of scrutiny already given to Boomers and Millennials, and has Gen X become invisible to everyone but themselves? Can ageism be a positive thing? As human longevity increases, what can society's oldest citizens contribute to the welfare of others? Have seniors earned their position of entitlement due to their earlier efforts? Aren't newer generations entitled to respect from their elders? Have people's values changed over time--for the better or the worse?

I see an opportunity for diverse commentary and argument. Take a stab at any of the above. Identify your generation or do not. Respond from studied opinion or personal experience. Have at it any way you want.
Who coined these generational labels, and for what purpose?
How philosophically clever is it to say that Gen Z are more [ fill in the gap] than Gen Y ?
There are subcultures within each period - of what? - every 20yrs.
Of course there will be differences even within a generation - with individuals holding different values, including respect for others. Historical changes for better, worse depending on resources, and political-social-economical factors - who or what determines these?


My own impression is that the labels are used to divide for political gain, trying the blame or guilt game. Anything but look carefully at government policies e.g. housing.
It's too easy and some fall for it.
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marjoram_blues wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:23 am Of course there will be differences even within a generation - with individuals holding different values, including respect for others. Historical changes for better, worse depending on resources, and political-social-economical factors - who or what determines these?
These factors are certainly not determined by generational differences.
marjoram_blues wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:23 amMy own impression is that the labels are used to divide for political gain, trying the blame or guilt game. Anything but look carefully at government policies e.g. housing.
Certainly, social labelling is often perjorative, but in this case the terms' connotations, though harmless at first, have taken on a certain animus through time.
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Re: Boomers::Millennials

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One word: Technology.

What we understand of Technology is strictly a means through which we not only interact with the world but interact with eachother. The nature of Technology not only determines one's livelihood but in turn the culture, so the symmetry between generations maintained a greater degree of congruency when the generations shared a similiar form of technology.

Take for example woodworking/lumbering. Before the chainsaw, the father could take the son out and show him the art of wielding an axe and hand saw and in the practice of the art not only exchange information but also closely interact with both eachother and the environment as using hand tools required a considerable amount of effort and man power.

Fast forward to the invention of the chainsaw. The father who grew up using an axe and a hand saw could not pass down that information nor could maintain a working relationship between himself and his son/environment, as the chainsaw not only eliminated and cut back human labor but caused a paradigm shift in how the human person interacted with both his neighbor and the environment. The invention of the chainsaw, something which none of us alive have seen, by default not only cut jobs but human relations for the nature of human relations is found largely in the nature of work.

Making work easier, through technology, eliminated a common bonding agent which held men together for millenia: sweat and blood. The nature of hard labor as a sacrifice necessary for survival maintained a bonding element between people technology has largely erradicated today. Without sacrifice their cannot be any form of mediation and unity between not only generations but individuals entirely. Technology has largely erradicated that.

In is in this observation of technology, through the nature of work, determining the nature of human relations that we can take a step further in technology itself as "relation". The exchange of information had a striclty subject and objective nature to it. The subjective nature through the relationships and the objective through the exchange of physical resources/knowledge through those relations. With the paradigm shift of social media technology, not only has larger degree of incongruency between generations been, is, and will be observed, but a lack of human interaction which eliminated the subjective aspect of human relations and striclty turn them to an objective means.

Take for example before the invention of the phone, people use to travel and interact with a whole environment around them, in order to reach a person. Now, and for along time, people interact strictly with the object (or phone itself) and in doing so lose a sense of not just relationship but symmetry with their surrounding environment.

Where the median for human interaction was the natural world, and its corresponding laws, now the median for human interaction is strictly (and I say this as both literal and metaphorical at the same time in different respects) stone and metal. It is in this median of stone and metal, through which we find and maintain most our relationships that a different measuring system is not only being observed but manifested. The promulgation of technology, that is not symmetrical with the laws of nature, is an attempt to "rebalance" the scales and create a new measuring system from not only which mankind measures itself but manifests further values/axioms from which to measure from.

It is in these respects that the incongruency between boomer and millenial is found with a flux in value systems inherently extended through the form and function of technology. This technology is an extension of how we see the world and the further reflection of technology creates a further reflection of values from which a new structure is obtained. In simpler terms, with the change in technology comes a change in culture and the exponential growth of technology will cause an exponential growth in cultural flux.

You think the gap between the boomers and millenials is wide? The generation under the millenials, whatever they are called, will euthanize us (I am a millenial within the fringe gap. I am 28.).

In simpler terms what we are observing is the emergence of a technological beast system which will eradicate human mediation through stone and metal and people will resort to more bestial impulses (overindulgence of food, sex, etc.) in order to maintain some sense of "warped" humanity as sensory experience only. In simpler terms, the world will become so cold and empty, people will resort to any form of irrational hedonism "just to feel something". This will in turn, as we are currently seeking, create a larger divide between peoples who in turn will create more technology under the guise of "convenience" and "luxury" as an effort to not only cocoon themselves from other people's vices but simultaneously maintain their own.

This will continue into a perpetual cycle until this measurement system eliminates itself, for it is founded under stone and metal, and will follow the same course as these physical elements: corrosion and flux.

In a seperate respect the measurement systems of nature and the abstract, being the foundations upon which we have further generation have built themselves, will move towards a rebalancing act in order to maintain a degree of symmetry and order to counterbalance the system of disorder and you will see and increase in natural cataclysms. The generations will blame eachother, not knowing who is at fault until a point is reaching where everything is so vile and horrific that the true nature of man will be given birth to under the birth pangs of destruction.

What we are observing with the boomers and millenials is strictly a symptom of something that runs much deeper than what is one the surface.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm One word: Technology.
What we understand of Technology is strictly a means through which we not only interact with the world but interact with each other. The nature of Technology not only determines one's livelihood but in turn the culture, so the symmetry between generations maintained a greater degree of congruency when the generations shared a similar form of technology.

Well said, thank you. More about culture, later.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm Making work easier, through technology, eliminated a common bonding agent which held men together for millenia: sweat and blood. The nature of hard labor as a sacrifice necessary for survival maintained a bonding element between people technology has largely eradicated today. Without sacrifice, there cannot be any form of mediation and unity between not only generations but individuals entirely. Technology has largely eradicated that.

As well as common means, a common goal may cultivate unity. Not a generic goal, even if held in common, such as the need for work in order to nurture oneself and one’s family, but a singular goal such as, say, the destruction of all technology (impossible, most certainly) or, say, the defeat of a hostile, non-human life-form (unlikely, it is fair to say) that invades Earth from a galaxy far, far away (couldn’t resist). A theoretical goal of this sort would foster teamwork among all stakeholders (all humankind, in the given submittals).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm …With the paradigm shift of social media technology, not only has larger degree of incongruence between generations been, is, and will be observed, but a lack of human interaction which eliminated the subjective aspect of human relations and strictly turn them to an objective means.

Thank you, again.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm It is in these respects that the incongruence between boomer and millenial is found with a flux in value systems inherently extended through the form and function of technology. This technology is an extension of how we see the world and the further reflection of technology creates a further reflection of values from which a new structure is obtained. In simpler terms, with the change in technology comes a change in culture and the exponential growth of technology will cause an exponential growth in cultural flux.

With technology as the etiology rather than generational differences, what will the flux of culture and values look like? What will be the results of technology’s effect on culture and values? What do you see when you reflect on these questions?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm You think the gap between the boomers and millenials is wide? The generation under the millenials, whatever they are called, will euthanize us (I am a millennial within the fringe gap. I am 28.).

Spelling counts. :wink:

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:43 pm In simpler terms what we are observing is the emergence of a technological beast system which will eradicate human mediation through stone and metal and people will resort to more bestial impulses (overindulgence of food, sex, etc.) in order to maintain some sense of "warped" humanity as sensory experience only. In simpler terms, the world will become so cold and empty, people will resort to any form of irrational hedonism "just to feel something". This will in turn, as we are currently seeking, create a larger divide between peoples who in turn will create more technology under the guise of "convenience" and "luxury" as an effort to not only cocoon themselves from other people's vices but simultaneously maintain their own.

Yes. Among their ways to feel something, people might turn to a variety of leisure and entertainment activities, perhaps including an interest in the classics of art, literature and philosophy. However, the fresh lyrics of rap will probably eclipse Shakespeare’s iambic pentameter or maybe poetry altogether. Gaming will likely be big.
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With technology as the etiology rather than generational differences, what will the flux of culture and values look like? What will be the results of technology’s effect on culture and values? What do you see when you reflect on these questions?


Values systems, philosophies and specifically religions, will be put under a whole strain of questioning in an attempt to synthesize a new philosophy/religion. This is nothing specifically new, the rate at which it will be done will be "new" however.

People most likely will form a new universal religion predicated upon the advancements within technology and this will be mainstream. A dual component to this will be the rise of a neo-tribalism with each tribe being founded upon a specific ideal.

We are currently observing this flux evident within the universal "cognitive dissonance" one can observe with the general public made evident by the fear and anxiety. In a seperate note their will be a massive apathy within the younger generations.

Technology's effect on culture and values can be observe rooted in the nature of technology itself. Technology is how we percieve and deal with the problems of our realities. This in turn gives a general consensus that Technology is fundamentally rooted in the pursuit of physical luxury and one could expect a value system based around that. In short summary the technology is based around what we desire most and that is comfort. This comfort is found in food, sex, etc, but most specifically in "power" itself as the "apex".

In these respects the moral systems, as we are currently observing, will be based fundamentally on the acquisition of power and control. The problem is that as a result someone always feels disempowered and this will magnify the general "distress" of everyone. The continual pursuit of power, implies a continual victimhood (or at least a perception of it) and this in turn will lead to an "assymetric" value system which will not be based on finding proportion but rather one that is based on a "continual pursuit" with no real destination in mind. Keep in mind that the "whole" end of this value system is not the control or cessation of appetite through disciplined moderation, but rather the whole end is strict "appetite" itself.

This nature of "appetite" defining the sole moral and cultural means, in turn will be reflected within the nature of language as people will develop words to whatever "they want" them to mean. People will return to more primitive root words based around foods, sex that will be pictoral in nature (we see evidence of this in the emoji trend).

This cognitive dissonance will be further increased as man divides his natural self from himself by his inability to maintain harmony with nature, neighbor, and the Logos/Creator. This in turn will result in a continual "twisting" of desires and you will see an emphasis place on the pursuit of "strange" pleasures. Keep further in mind, that a moral system based upon appetite will inevitably place emphasis on the nature of "pursuit" and in these respects the majority of these "pleasures" will be rooted in the manifestation of some form of dominance over something or someone (or being dominated by something or someone). Hedonism's root is within the acquisition of "power" and control, nothing more.

Noone will ever really "work" or really "rest" because the synthesis with technology will eradicate so much of the human element it will be difficult for anyone to actually "apply" themselves. In turn, as we are currently seeing, people will invent imaginary obstacles to "overcome" in order to give a sense of "achievement" strictly for the pleasure of it.

Abstract thinking skills will begin to disappear, as we are seeing, strictly because the nature of "abstraction" requires a nature of "imagination/visualization" that social media is eradicating. What one must practice seeing in their mind is now "physicalized". A calculator is an relatively "old" yet still valid example of this problem.

I can go further and expand upon any of the above points if you wish however in general the future can be best understood through a metaphor: we will be ruled by a beast of metal and stone, we will be its children and it will be a cold world made in our image "want" and "desire".
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Re: Boomers::Millennials

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I see that you are not only able to comment on generational differences and the nature of technology, but that you are a futurist as well. Thank you for propelling these topics into the future. The picture you paint is quite plausible.

(BTW, your thoughts deserve the benefits of a grammar and spell check.)
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Re: Boomers::Millennials

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why learn proper grammer or speeling?

the computer will tell us what you meant to say

long live the code makers...

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