Is it possible to convince anyone with the right words?

[ken]

The more I learn about how to better express more concisely and succinctly then the more control I have over how others interpret My words

This is generally true rather than absolutely true

What is the difference here?

but do you really want to control how everyone thinks whenever they interpret your words

I am controlling the thoughts within that head, which is seeing these writings, right NOW.

It is not about want, but need. As walker says, "Everything that moved, had to move. Everything that moves, has to move."

So, it does not matter if I want or not, I have control over thinking and thoughts already, no matter what I do.

I control ALL of you through .....

[ken]

you know nothing when it suits you but also when it suits you you do know some things

Compared to the sum total of all human knowledge I really do know nothing even if I do know some things too
And so there is no contradiction between me saying I know nothing while actually knowing some things as well

Are you actually able to distinguish the difference between 'I know nothing', and, 'I know some things', (which is something)?

If you had stipulated from the outset that you know relatively not much at all compared to all of human knowing, then that would be fine.

But you made the absolute statement, a few times I might add, that you know nothing, which by the way when saying that appeared to help your case.

[surreptitious57]

I am controlling the thoughts within that head which is seeing these writings right NOW

Are you controlling all of the thoughts in every head that is seeing these writings right now
Or are you only controlling some of the thoughts in some of the heads that are seeing them

[ken]

Do you think that you are the one that I am looking for

I have no idea so who is the one that you are looking for

I am looking for those who want to discuss in a logical reasoned way in order to find ALL those answers that they are seeking. For this to happen they need to be open enough, which comes from neither having any beliefs or disbelief (in) any thing.

[surreptitious57]

Compared to the sum total of all human knowledge I really do know nothing even if I do know some things too
And so there is no contradiction between me saying I know nothing while actually knowing some things as well

Are you actually able to distinguish the difference between I know nothing and I know some things

No I am not when the difference is so infinitesimal as to be rendered meaningless like in this case
Probabilities of zero can actually exist and this is one such example of where it is definitely true
And so while I know some things I simultaneously know nothing at all and it is not contradictory

[ken]

But it is the total beginners that is very young children who do provide truly open ended discussions. They are the ones who are far more
open then the elders are who apparently are truly unable to discuss without letting their preconceptions and beliefs interfere with a truly
open ended discussion. Young children are very inquisitive and will ask clarifying questions

This is very true because their minds are more open to ideas whereas adults are more closed

I seriously hope you did not write these words for My sake.

I will NOT go into how there is no such thing as "their minds" because you have already proved how much of an adult you are by how closed you are to looking at this. There is no use trying to teach a person who already thinks that they know the truth already.

[ken]

If you are unable to ask questions to Me and /or you are unable to challenge Me then that is fair enough

There is absolutely no reason why I cannot ask questions as I am perfectly capable of asking them as you know

You are right in that there are no reasons why you can not, but there are reasons why you do not.

Would you like me to only ask questions from now on or would you like me to only ask them some of the time

I would like you to do exactly as I do, that is ask clarifying questions, when unclear of some thing, and, challenge, when knowing it is wrong.

I usually challenge, by the way, by asking clarifying questions, so that allows you to clear up before I assume some thing. Your response or non response usually is enough evidence to provide and show the truth anyway. But, if you want to keep on insisting as though you know the absolutely truth, when I know it is not, then I challenge by showing how it is not true.

[ken]

Is it just because there appears to be only us two posting here that that is the only reason
you want to leave or is there some other more reasonable reason for your decision here

It is just because there appears to be only two of us posting here

So, do you not like discussing with One only?

No one else seems to be that interested in what you have to say

Are you interested in what I say?

And, are others discussing with you here?

If not, then have you thought about that that might just imply that no one is interested in what BOTH of us have to say here. Or, did you really only think of this in regards to Me only?

[ken]

I am controlling the thoughts within that head which is seeing these writings right NOW

Are you controlling all of the thoughts in every head that is seeing these writings right now
Or are you only controlling some of the thoughts in some of the heads that are seeing them

ALL.

What are the thoughts in that head in regards to your question?

[ken]

Compared to the sum total of all human knowledge I really do know nothing even if I do know some things too
And so there is no contradiction between me saying I know nothing while actually knowing some things as well

Are you actually able to distinguish the difference between I know nothing and I know some things

No I am not when the difference is so infinitesimal as to be rendered meaningless like in this case
Probabilities of zero can actually exist and this is one such example of where it is definitely true
And so while I know some things I simultaneously know nothing at all and it is not contradictory

Would you like to explain how you can know something and simultaneously know nothing at all?

To Me, something is the opposite of nothing.

[surreptitious57]

I will NOT go into how there is no such thing as their minds because you have already
proved how much of an adult you are by how closed you are to looking at this

Why will you not go into it and why is there no such thing as their minds
And what does the term already proved mean in relation to their minds

[surreptitious57]

Would you like to explain how you can know something and simultaneously know nothing at all

Can I be expected to explain how I can know something and simultaneously know nothing at all

[surreptitious57]

Are you interested in what I say and are others discussing with you here

If not then have you thought about that that might just imply that no one is interested in
what BOTH of us have to say here or did you really only think of this in regards to Me only

Do you not already know the answer to all of these questions
If you do not then why do you not know the answers to them

[surreptitious57]

I am controlling the thoughts within that head which is seeing these writings right NOW

Are you controlling all of the thoughts in every head that is seeing these writings right now
Or are you only controlling some of the thoughts in some of the heads that are seeing them

What are the thoughts in that head in regards to your question

Do you not already know what all the thoughts in my head are
If you do not already know then why do you not already know

[ken]

I will NOT go into how there is no such thing as their minds because you have already
proved how much of an adult you are by how closed you are to looking at this

Why will you not go into it and why is there no such thing as their minds

I will not go into it because I have tried before to clarify with you what is the 'their', 'my', 'your', or 'our' when used in relation to 'mind', and you have not yet clarified.

Why there is no such thing as 'their minds' is because to Me there is only one Mind.

And what does the term already proved mean in relation to their minds

'Already proved' was in relation to you being closed in looking at this subject. 'Already proved' was NOT in relation 'their minds' at all.