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Dubious
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Nick_A wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm If there is no mystery to being human, why is one of our chief characteristics hypocrisy? There is no other animal governed by hypocrisy. You can say it is because Man is the most intelligent animal. Does that mean that intelligence leads to hypocrisy?
Where’s the mystery in hypocrisy; a thoroughly expected behavior in humans to a greater or lesser degree? Of course it takes brain power to juggle events in our favor even at the expense of harming the planet and everything living on it.

Humans are still controlled by an untrained intelligence forgoing any inconvenient truth or what’s right whenever expediency beckons. None of this has been resolved even after a few millenniums of philosophy. There is no mystery in the fact that hypocrisy is a side-effect of human intelligence. Notice I said “human”! There is no certainty that other intelligences, wherever they be, are equally prone to manifest these very dangerous symptoms of self-sabotage. An epic chastisement is much more likely to ameliorate that condition than any mysterious ointment of wisdom offered by philosophers. Pain is much more aggressive than theory in inhibiting bad behavior!
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Dubious wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 5:10 am
Nick_A wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm If there is no mystery to being human, why is one of our chief characteristics hypocrisy? There is no other animal governed by hypocrisy. You can say it is because Man is the most intelligent animal. Does that mean that intelligence leads to hypocrisy?
Where’s the mystery in hypocrisy; a thoroughly expected behavior in humans to a greater or lesser degree? Of course it takes brain power to juggle events in our favor even at the expense of harming the planet and everything living on it.

Humans are still controlled by an untrained intelligence forgoing any inconvenient truth or what’s right whenever expediency beckons. None of this has been resolved even after a few millenniums of philosophy. There is no mystery in the fact that hypocrisy is a side-effect of human intelligence. Notice I said “human”! There is no certainty that other intelligences, wherever they be, are equally prone to manifest these very dangerous symptoms of self-sabotage. An epic chastisement is much more likely to ameliorate that condition than any mysterious ointment of wisdom offered by philosophers. Pain is much more aggressive than theory in inhibiting bad behavior!
Do you think a super civilization on another planet would be capable of flourishing without the need for hypocrisy? If yes, what would they have that we lack in order to make it possible??
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Nick_A wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 6:01 am
Dubious wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 5:10 am
Nick_A wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm If there is no mystery to being human, why is one of our chief characteristics hypocrisy? There is no other animal governed by hypocrisy. You can say it is because Man is the most intelligent animal. Does that mean that intelligence leads to hypocrisy?
Where’s the mystery in hypocrisy; a thoroughly expected behavior in humans to a greater or lesser degree? Of course it takes brain power to juggle events in our favor even at the expense of harming the planet and everything living on it.

Humans are still controlled by an untrained intelligence forgoing any inconvenient truth or what’s right whenever expediency beckons. None of this has been resolved even after a few millenniums of philosophy. There is no mystery in the fact that hypocrisy is a side-effect of human intelligence. Notice I said “human”! There is no certainty that other intelligences, wherever they be, are equally prone to manifest these very dangerous symptoms of self-sabotage. An epic chastisement is much more likely to ameliorate that condition than any mysterious ointment of wisdom offered by philosophers. Pain is much more aggressive than theory in inhibiting bad behavior!
Do you think a super civilization on another planet would be capable of flourishing without the need for hypocrisy? If yes, what would they have that we lack in order to make it possible??
What they would have is the awareness that it never pays to short-change the future for temporary benefits in the present...benefits which may benefit only a few! It doesn't take a "super civilization" to come to that obvious conclusion. Mild societal hypocrisies are not the problem; it's how we always communicated from year one even among philosophers!
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Dubious

N: Do you think a super civilization on another planet would be capable of flourishing without the need for hypocrisy? If yes, what would they have that we lack in order to make it possible??

D: What they would have is the awareness that it never pays to short-change the future for temporary benefits in the present...benefits which may benefit only a few! It doesn't take a "super civilization" to come to that obvious conclusion. Mild societal hypocrisies are not the problem; it's how we always communicated from year one even among philosophers!

It is obvious from what is happening in the world that the presumption of the benefits from short changing the future are far more influential. If the primary reason is our lack of meaningful communication, is the solution acquiring a better ability to lie so as to keep the peace?
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A brain hardwired for logic only is what they would have
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surreptitious57 wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 7:16 pm
A brain hardwired for logic only is what they would have
Is that all a person is? What if we are not just hard wired for logic but also attracted to the experience of objective "meaning" or the ability to put facts into a human perspective?
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