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Hobbes wrote:
Toleration requires the operation of what Karl Popper calls the paradox of Toleration.
Toleration can only be extended to include people who are themselves tolerant.

In this way Secularism is 100% tolerant, and is only intolerant of non-secularists who are intolerant of disbelief.

Since, at heart, all Messianic religions demand adherence to a set of unjustified beliefs and scorn unbelievers, often to the point of persecution it is obvious enough that Secularism, being a position of informed toleration holds that some, not all religious systems are not worthy of toleration (see Popper's paradox).
Ya gotta love this. It is essential to obtain a PhD in King George III psychology

I wish nothing but good; therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor ... King George III
Secular intolerants are the same. They wish nothing but the good so all who disagree must suffer the consequences of secular intolerance. Those who defy peace loving secular intolerants are against peace much like those who oppose socialism according to Marx

Karl Marx wrote that
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
The meaning of peace and social justice is the absence of opposition to secular superiority.

The Great Beast hoists a glass of fine champagne and says all hail Hobbes choice. He has settled the matter. The little bastards are deserving of spirit killing for defying the superiority of their secular superiors and opposing peace. Whoever opposes peace must be reeducated. Or eliminated. Who can argue with royalty?
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Greta wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 pmStill, credit where credit's due. How can a misguided overcompensating queen like Nick string so many people along for over 50 pages? He has a talent for pulling people in to indulge his bullshit. He is an expert theistic troll who can take over large swathes of forums and turn the whole thing into circular fights about religion. I have seen him do this before, unfortunately.
Listen, Nick is a piker. You just don't even know. I can't explain it myself. At a forum where I used to post (it's pretty much gone dormant now) someone named peacegirl strung us all along for more than six years. That would be 2,047 pages, 51,160 replies, and 2,999,904 page views. I only regret that she finally left before that three-millionth page view.

We threw her a big Page 2,000 party when the odometer rolled over. :)
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Gretnut wrote:
Consider the Nickhead's lack of logic - teachers are supposed to take time out from their syllabus to answer student questions about the meaning of life - or be deemed servants of the Great Beast.

There are two major kinds of responses to such a question.

1. The theist response - "the meaning of life is ... x"

2. The honest response - "I don't know".

Apparently the last response is "spirit killing".
Secular intolerance is an intimidating attitude. The questions of the young are considered embarassing. Metaphysical repression is a result of intimidation from disrespecting the question.

Gretanut disrespects the questions. Her attitude is typical of secular intolerants within the field of indoctrination for some reason called education. “I don’t know” is negative when spoken with disrespect. It translates as “I don’t know so don’t bother me.” It is obvious why this attitude leads to metaphysical repression and drugs to compensate for the lack of the feeling of “meaning.” A heavy price to pay for the satisfaction of spirit killing.
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Nick_A wrote: It is only exceptional parents who can offer alternatives to spirit killing. Most have become indoctrinated into advocating the ideals of cave life in whatever exoteric form seems appropriate.
You're like a marxist, no matter what is pointed out to you you convert it into your dogma.

Still waiting to hear what it is you would implement if you were in charge of the education of children?
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Nick, you’re a smellfungus, a scobberlotcher and, above all, a fustilarian. But for all your anti-talents, you’ll never outdo the epic trolling of the immortal peacegirl. :D
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davidm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:35 am Nick, you’re a smellfungus, a scobberlotcher and, above all, a fustilarian. But for all your anti-talents, you’ll never outdo the epic trolling of the immortal peacegirl. :D
Why would I be against piecegirl? If a girl wants to share a piece why should i object?
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:24 am
Nick_A wrote: It is only exceptional parents who can offer alternatives to spirit killing. Most have become indoctrinated into advocating the ideals of cave life in whatever exoteric form seems appropriate.
You're like a marxist, no matter what is pointed out to you you convert it into your dogma.

Still waiting to hear what it is you would implement if you were in charge of the education of children?
If you don't know what it means to educate rather than indoctrinate, methods are meaningless for you. For example I assert that teaching conscious attention skills is essential for an educated as opposed to an indoctrinated human being. You don't know what conscious attntion is and how it differs from directed or reactive attention so there is no sense in introducing it to dedicated secularists insisting on indoctrination
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davidm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:01 am
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 pmStill, credit where credit's due. How can a misguided overcompensating queen like Nick string so many people along for over 50 pages? He has a talent for pulling people in to indulge his bullshit. He is an expert theistic troll who can take over large swathes of forums and turn the whole thing into circular fights about religion. I have seen him do this before, unfortunately.
Listen, Nick is a piker. You just don't even know. I can't explain it myself. At a forum where I used to post (it's pretty much gone dormant now) someone named peacegirl strung us all along for more than six years. That would be 2,047 pages, 51,160 replies, and 2,999,904 page views. I only regret that she finally left before that three-millionth page view.

We threw her a big Page 2,000 party when the odometer rolled over. :)
Yikes. I can see why the forum died - when the signal-to-noise ratio reaches a certain level, people switch off.

The Nickhead is not finished yet and his pace is accelerating. I suspect you may have given him a new goal in life. He is highly impressionable and prone to parroting (he always parrots my barbs) so I expect him to be right on board with the idea of owning an endless thread. Publicity! Notoriety! Influence! Nicky's dream!! The next Simone Weil!!! Watch this space (or not).

Still, such ratbags provide light amusement to contrast some heavy and complex stuff that can appear on philosophy forums at times. When I'm tired or just not in the mood for D&M discussion I go check what Nick is up to for a laugh. He believes he's presenting a case or challenge, but it's largely just a tantrum dressed in philosophical frippery, with a solipsist attitude not wildly unlike Dwayne Hoover in Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions.

To the Nickhead, you and I and most others here are like Chalmers's philosophical zombies - with only physical sensations and abstracted thoughts, but no actual sense of inner experience or depth of emotion or empathy. He does not believe that any of us are fully human - only himself and a few other similarly enlightened superior souls.

Also, apparently, we are all engaged in supporting The Great Beast - society at large - and betraying individuals and individualism for conformity. This of course is a strawman based on blinkered B&W thinking, lacking any nuance or sense of continua.

The same applies to his accusations of spirit-killing education. The public education system is paid for by the many so its aims are for the many (not for power-hungry theocrats). So the aim is to produce productive units for the economy rather than individual building of character. In the past schools were more focused on the person (and in some cases, brainwashing) but many - and fair - complaints made by parents about ideological biases one way or another resulted in the "character shaping" aspects of the public education system being withdrawn and delegated back to families.

None of the above is ideal but these issues are far more prosaic and understandable than p****'s prolonged and rather hysterical twittering about it.
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Greta wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:11 am Yikes. I can see why the forum died - when the signal-to-noise ratio reaches a certain level, people switch off.
Well, the forum of which I speak is not actually dead. It is just operating at fraction of its original pace, when it was founded more than a decade ago. I think this has something to do with the fact that forums like this (which is also pretty lightly trod) are an artifact of history. Forums like this and those that emerged early in the last decade have been mostly supplanted by blogs and T**tter. (Can’t bring myself to spell out that name).
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Nick_A wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:05 amIf you don't know what it means to educate rather than indoctrinate, methods are meaningless for you.
But Nick, here is the point. Only one person in this thread is trying to indoctrinate rather than educate. Can you guess who that person might be?
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Just experimenting ... a needle p****.

Update: I see stars :)
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davidm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:49 am
Nick_A wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:05 amIf you don't know what it means to educate rather than indoctrinate, methods are meaningless for you.
But Nick, here is the point. Only one person in this thread is trying to indoctrinate rather than educate. Can you guess who that person might be?
You will be nominated to receive the treasured brass figlagee with bronze oak leaf palm including the symbol of the Great Beast stamped on the side if you can tell me what I am trying to indoctrinate you and kids suffering metaphysical repression due to secular intolerance into.
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Nick_A wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:29 am
davidm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:49 am
Nick_A wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:05 amIf you don't know what it means to educate rather than indoctrinate, methods are meaningless for you.
But Nick, here is the point. Only one person in this thread is trying to indoctrinate rather than educate. Can you guess who that person might be?
You will be nominated to receive the treasured brass figlagee with bronze oak leaf palm including the symbol of the Great Beast stamped on the side if you can tell me what I am trying to indoctrinate you and kids suffering metaphysical repression due to secular intolerance into.
You are trying to indoctrinate us and kids into your odious, false, goofball religious hallucinations.

You're welcome.
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Where is my trophy? :(
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davidm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:51 am Where is my trophy? :(
First you have to sat what these odious, false, goofball religious hallucinations are.
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