Re: Free Will vs Determinism
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:27 pm
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It's most probable that neutrinos don't experience qualia. I also doubt if a neutrino has the urge to preserve its own integrity or even the integrity of any system. in other words neutrinos are not subjects of experience. Freedom is inconsistent with existence as an object. And this is why we hold the moral belief that it is wrong to objectify some men, or all men.Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:46 am
Neutrinos are not free.
Are you sure about that?
Actually, in both cases, all I did was cut and paste. Nothing else.
Not only concepts but percepts too can be false .Hobbes' Choice wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:37 pmYes they can. Everything that is empirical is sure. It's what it means that is unsure.
Not even relevant. Not even wrong. not even on the right page.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:33 amNot only concepts but percepts too can be false .Hobbes' Choice wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:37 pmYes they can. Everything that is empirical is sure. It's what it means that is unsure.
There may not be any ordered nature at all. The lack of any order in nature is the ultimate atheist's attitude towards the creator God.
I Can and I will be a naughty boy!davidm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:29 pm Anyone who fails to deliberately misrepresent another's posts, and even truthfully puts quote marks around things his interlocutor said, should draw a pretty picture, IMO. In any event, anyone who believes a word I say about anything should be prepared to purchase a nice pint of cool beer for me. Crying for Jesus -- it's what apologists do in their nappies!
Because will is rationalisation after the neural event.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:47 pm Free will is just an approximate structure of force whose median point is man (the subjective). In simpler terms, if free will is subjective force, and causality is objective force, both the subjective (free will) and objective are extensions of causality as force.
Why do they have to clash?
Well let's break this down and we will use your argument as an example.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:42 amBecause will is rationalisation after the neural event.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:47 pm Free will is just an approximate structure of force whose median point is man (the subjective). In simpler terms, if free will is subjective force, and causality is objective force, both the subjective (free will) and objective are extensions of causality as force.
Why do they have to clash?
Well, just take the first part then.
Joe StrummerEodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:47 pm Free will is just an approximate structure of force whose median point is man (the subjective). In simpler terms, if free will is subjective force, and causality is objective force, both the subjective (free will) and objective are extensions of causality as force.
Why do they have to clash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQImpenitent wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:30 pmJoe StrummerEodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:47 pm Free will is just an approximate structure of force whose median point is man (the subjective). In simpler terms, if free will is subjective force, and causality is objective force, both the subjective (free will) and objective are extensions of causality as force.
Why do they have to clash?
-Imp