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Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
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artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
There is a precedent for this, during the American revolutionary war the Colonies employed Hessian mercenaries to fight for the revolution. During WWII American fliers joined the American Volunteer Group with French General Claire Chennault to fight against the Japanese. These are just two examples and I'm sure there are many more.
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I think this is what you're looking for AS:

http://www.businessinsider.com/privatiz ... tan-2017-8

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Did I miss something Phil? It doesn't get into specifics of what these companies would get as compensation? Just that the government would pay it less than we pay ourselves? Seems dishonest. You can't con this honest woman.

Seems to me there is an moral problem with war for profit. At what point could a company afford to stop the war if it is their entire profit margin. I just see endless wars in the name of 'The bottom line's. You can't con an honest man/woman.

And...there is no need for trump to escalate a war right now...we already did the pre-emptive strike...wve never recovered. And we will never recover until we do the right thing and leave people the hell alone!

War should be a last resort. War is a serious matter...always won by the hero's with 'right/moral on their side. You will never win a war by being immoral. Eventually you will lose...as it should be.

You can't con an honest man.
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artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:57 pm Did I miss something Phil? It doesn't get into specifics of what these companies would get as compensation? Just that the government would pay it less than we pay ourselves? Seems dishonest. You can't con this honest woman.

Seems to me there is an moral problem with war for profit. At what point could a company afford to stop the war if it is their entire profit margin. I just see endless wars in the name of 'The bottom line's. You can't con an honest man/woman.

And...there is no need for trump to escalate a war right now...we already did the pre-emptive strike...wve never recovered. And we will never recover until we do the right thing and leave people the hell alone!

War should be a last resort. War is a serious matter...always won by the hero's with 'right/moral on their side. You will never win a war by being immoral. Eventually you will lose...as it should be.

You can't con an honest man.
Don't know if war should be a last resort because it can be a deterrent towards bigger conflict.

As far as a moral problem with war goes, there are aggressors and defenders in any war. You have to look at the reasons for war. Some profit by it, but it's government that has the power to declare war, not arms manufacturers. I think it's immoral when innocent populations have to suffer at the hands of invading armies and not immoral when countries such as the US help out innocent countries and populations (such as the Kurds who got poisoned at the hands of the Syrian government).

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thedoc wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:05 pm
artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
There is a precedent for this, during the American revolutionary war the Colonies employed Hessian mercenaries to fight for the revolution.
The British hired the Hessians to fight against you.
VerySimpleGoogleSearch wrote:The term "Hessians" refers to the approximately 30,000 German troops hired by the British to help fight during the American Revolution. They were principally drawn from the German state of Hesse-Cassel, although soldiers from other German states also saw action in America.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:32 pm
thedoc wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:05 pm
artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
There is a precedent for this, during the American revolutionary war the Colonies employed Hessian mercenaries to fight for the revolution.
The British hired the Hessians to fight against you.
VerySimpleGoogleSearch wrote:The term "Hessians" refers to the approximately 30,000 German troops hired by the British to help fight during the American Revolution. They were principally drawn from the German state of Hesse-Cassel, although soldiers from other German states also saw action in America.
Perhaps I was mistaken about which side they fought for but the principle still applies they were hired mercenaries from a different country.
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artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
That’s right. Harvesting the natural resources that lay fallow is the reason to be there. Rare metals are required for the digital age. The rapists are Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and those associated, including those sucking up government research contracts, those who cannot live without their digital devices such as handheld communicators, and all participants on this site.

Gubberment dances to the tune of business and the desires that drive business.

“The War is Worth Waging”: Afghanistan’s Vast Reserves of Minerals and Natural Gas
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Feel free to denounce the reality based on some arbitrary idealized notion of a perfect world that is otherwise than what is.
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“Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

“In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

“It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.”

- quoted from the Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century ... wer001.asp
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Walker wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:43 pm
artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
That’s right. Harvesting the natural resources that lay fallow is the reason to be there. Rare metals are required for the digital age. The rapists are Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and those associated, including those sucking up government research contracts, those who cannot live without their digital devices such as handheld communicators, and all participants on this site.

Gubberment dances to the tune of business and the desires that drive business.

“The War is Worth Waging”: Afghanistan’s Vast Reserves of Minerals and Natural Gas
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Feel free to denounce the reality based on some arbitrary idealized notion of a perfect world that is otherwise than what is.
Are we living in dystopia? I think you need a reality check on a relatively peaceful world we live in now. Are you prepared for what you condone? I don't think so.

I think you romanticize war...like boys are wont to do. You don't actually stop to think of the truth of your folly...
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Of course. Private companies have never made money out of war. War isn't about control, money and resources :lol: :lol: Is this thread a joke?
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Sadly no, veg. This is what Trump is proposing and no one as of yet has Amy problem with 'war for profit'.

People are so shortsighted in their immorality these days. They have absolutely no idea how many thing could go against their best interest going down this road. Doesn't anyone think 2 chess moves ahead anymore?
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artisticsolution wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:43 am Sadly no, veg. This is what Trump is proposing and no one as of yet has Amy problem with 'war for profit'.

People are so shortsighted in their immorality these days. They have absolutely no idea how many thing could go against their best interest going down this road. Doesn't anyone think 2 chess moves ahead anymore?
You misunderstand me. What the fuck do you think war is about? OMG. No wonder politicians so effortlessly manipulate people.
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artisticsolution wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:26 am
Walker wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:43 pm
artisticsolution wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm Not sure exactly what this means. How would private companies make money? By raping the war torn land of its resources? If so, isn't this a backhanded way of countries to invade other countries and steal?
That’s right. Harvesting the natural resources that lay fallow is the reason to be there. Rare metals are required for the digital age. The rapists are Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and those associated, including those sucking up government research contracts, those who cannot live without their digital devices such as handheld communicators, and all participants on this site.

Gubberment dances to the tune of business and the desires that drive business.

“The War is Worth Waging”: Afghanistan’s Vast Reserves of Minerals and Natural Gas
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Feel free to denounce the reality based on some arbitrary idealized notion of a perfect world that is otherwise than what is.
Are we living in dystopia? I think you need a reality check on a relatively peaceful world we live in now. Are you prepared for what you condone? I don't think so.

I think you romanticize war...like boys are wont to do. You don't actually stop to think of the truth of your folly...
Bizarro World is the prescient term that encompasses more of the reality than dystopia.

Why else would sanity go to where the goats are cute?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:37 am
artisticsolution wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:43 am Sadly no, veg. This is what Trump is proposing and no one as of yet has Amy problem with 'war for profit'.

People are so shortsighted in their immorality these days. They have absolutely no idea how many thing could go against their best interest going down this road. Doesn't anyone think 2 chess moves ahead anymore?
You misunderstand me. What the fuck do you think war is about? OMG. No wonder politicians so effortlessly manipulate people.
So taking out Hitler was to take his country's resources, not because of his crime against humanity?
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