Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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surreptitious57
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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Humans are apes evolved from monkeys. Physical characteristics may not always be inherited other wise all
generations of any given species would simply be clones of each other. So adaption to environment shall take
place over time if not necessarily from generation to generation. And all plant and all animal life evolved from
single cell bacteria over three and a half billion years ago. And so diversity is entirely possible given enough time
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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surreptitious57 wrote:Humans are apes evolved from monkeys. ...
Don't think this correct. Monkeys and Apes may have evolved from a common ancestor but it would be neither.
... And all plant and all animal life evolved from single cell bacteria over three and a half billion years ago. And so diversity is entirely possible given enough time
Can't disagree with this as it is Darwin's Theory.
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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Why are we here. Who made us? Why?
Everyone has asked that question.
But how many ask the question of the question?
How is it that you think the above questions mean anything at all?
Show they are not just inappropriate questions!
Who's to say there is a reason? Who's to there has to be? Who says we were "made"?
Maybe there are no real "why" questions at all, outside human intentionality. Sure you and I have our reasons for what we do, but all meaningful questions can be made to take the form "How", and that is the basis of all useful knowledge.

Try one properly scientific question concerned with the natural and physical world that asks 'why"; if you can't re-ask it with a "how" then it's not science.
The moment humans figured out this distinction it freed the species from fear and superstition.
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The Universe has no meaning beyond existence. Phenomena can be explained but that only references the physical
mechanics rather than any philosophical reason for them. One could argue the purpose of life is the propagation of
the species but as all species eventually become extinct then it seems somewhat superfluous and paradoxical. The
randomness which allowed conditions for life to evolve suggest that it was not pre ordained but merely a statistical
improbability. Indeed from a mathematical perspective the odds on us existing are significantly less than on us not
The fine tuning argument is used as evidence for God. A philosophical non sequitur but a non sequitur nevertheless
as the conclusion does not follow from the premise so is only predicated as an argument from emotion. Everything
that exists in the Universe including it itself is ultimately superfluous to requirement for nothing remains the same
forever and even Universes at some point have to die. We are therefore just passing through and everything else is
irrelevant to that one undeniable fact. One should try to make good use of ones time while here but it is merely an
interlude before the main event as death is the final destination for us and everything else too. Accepting that and
without condition is the one fundamental truth above all others. As everything else simply fades into insignificance
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Lev Muishkin
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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surreptitious57 wrote:The Universe has no meaning beyond existence. Phenomena can be explained but that only references the physical
mechanics rather than any philosophical reason for them. One could argue the purpose of life is the propagation of
the species but as all species eventually become extinct then it seems somewhat superfluous and paradoxical. The
randomness which allowed conditions for life to evolve suggest that it was not pre ordained but merely a statistical
improbability. Indeed from a mathematical perspective the odds on us existing are significantly less than on us not
The fine tuning argument is used as evidence for God. A philosophical non sequitur but a non sequitur nevertheless
as the conclusion does not follow from the premise so is only predicated as an argument from emotion. Everything
that exists in the Universe including it itself is ultimately superfluous to requirement for nothing remains the same
forever and even Universes at some point have to die. We are therefore just passing through and everything else is
irrelevant to that one undeniable fact. One should try to make good use of ones time while here but it is merely an
interlude before the main event as death is the final destination for us and everything else too. Accepting that and
without condition is the one fundamental truth above all others. As everything else simply fades into insignificance
Why is existence meaningful? In what way?
Surely the only meaning is in those that can infer meaning, and create meaning for themselves.
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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Existence itself is with out meaning but one can give meaning to ones own. Although perhaps on reflection
it is better to adopt a neutral approach than a negative one. And so accept life and death by treating them
as equals favouring neither one over the other. Most human beings would have a serious problem with that
concept but if they realised that fear of death is simply irrational they might have a healthier attitude to it
and eventually overcome the fear. And what makes it more irrational is the fact that all human brings were
dead before they were born yet none retain any negative experiences of it and so why then be afraid of that
same state when entering it again at the end of their life
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Lev Muishkin
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surreptitious57 wrote:Existence itself is with out meaning but one can give meaning to ones own. Although perhaps on reflection
it is better to adopt a neutral approach than a negative one. And so accept life and death by treating them
as equals favouring neither one over the other. Most human beings would have a serious problem with that
concept but if they realised that fear of death is simply irrational they might have a healthier attitude to it
and eventually overcome the fear. And what makes it more irrational is the fact that all human brings were
dead before they were born yet none retain any negative experiences of it and so why then be afraid of that
same state when entering it again at the end of their life
You've completely lost any reasonable meaning for life and death. They can't be equal, as one is the cessation of the other. Where life is death is not, and whilst there is death there is no life. You cannot fear what is null, anymore than you can fear the time before you were born.
Life is the unity of the history of the individual; death is nothing.
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Re: Does everything in our universe need to have a purpose?

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Not only does nothing in our universe need to have a purpose, nothing in our universe has a purpose except that we assign it one.
Isn't that liberating! :)
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A_Seagull wrote:Not only does nothing in our universe need to have a purpose, nothing in our universe has a purpose except that we assign it one.
Isn't that liberating! :)
Usually yes, except when groups of people assign purpose to things they cannot have. And humans do that all the time, creating ideological monsters that are far from liberating.
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