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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:45 pm 
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spike wrote:
I don't believe you. You are just being argumentative. That's your nature.


And it is in your nature to avoid the truth when you see it.
If you think what I say is untrue then argue against it.
Don't give up so easily.
If you argue in the spirit of enquiry, then you will grow from what you may learn.
I thought that was why people contributed to such Forums are these.

Show me a circle!


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Show me a circle!

Never mind a circle. I'd like to show you the door!

I think about practical and pragmatic things. You think about flying shit! I'm not into that.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
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spike wrote:
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Show me a circle!

Never mind a circle. I'd like to show you the door!

I think about practical and pragmatic things. You think about flying shit! I'm not into that.


Close your eyes if you are happier doing that. It seems you have stopped learning.
Makes me wonder why you bother to contribute to this forum.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:51 pm 
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Makes me wonder why you bother to contribute to this forum.


Makes me wonder too because it is often so dumb and stupid. To bad there weren't more professionals on board, like people from the magazine.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:35 pm 
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spike wrote:
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Makes me wonder why you bother to contribute to this forum.


Makes me wonder too because it is often so dumb and stupid. To bad there weren't more professionals on board, like people from the magazine.


I think you mean "Too bad". People from the magazine would have you for breakfast.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:32 pm 
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chaz wyman wrote:
... There are no integers in nature; ...
Apart from the physical counters when counting was matching sets? Nature can pretty much be described in integers.
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no circles, ...
Pebbles in pools?
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straight lines, ...
Shadows on tents, poles, the pole star?
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no regular polygons. ...
Bees.
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Maths comes from the imagination, like fairies and deities. Maths is a model.
I'll give you that the latter of mine were tenuous in the thing you propose but to propose that Maths has not a base in perception, in a way that fairies and deities do, seems wrong to me.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:09 pm 
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Arising_uk wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
... There are no integers in nature; ...
Apart from the physical counters when counting was matching sets? Nature can pretty much be described in integers.
You have perhaps not been following the thread. I said nature can be DESCRIBED with integers. Maths is a model.

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no circles, ...
Pebbles in pools?

Nope. Reality is 3D, circles are 2D.

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straight lines, ...
Shadows on tents, poles, the pole star?

Nope. A tent pole is not strait. Take a look at the microscopic level and you will find it is bumpy. The ground where the shadow falls is also bumpy.


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no regular polygons. ...
Bees.

a polygon is 2D. Have you ever seen inside a beehive? I have. Bees make irregular polygonal extruded 3D shapes.

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Maths comes from the imagination, like fairies and deities. Maths is a model.
I'll give you that the latter of mine were tenuous in the thing you propose but to propose that Maths has not a base in perception, in a way that fairies and deities do, seems wrong to me.


It is much better than faieries, I agree. More useful for one thing, but it reflects nature in human interested ways, It is apriori, not aposteriori.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:53 pm 
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How do we know we live in 3D?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJJhHknE ... ture=share


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:50 pm 
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How do you use an Ancient Egyptian doorbell?


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Rortabend wrote:
How do you use an Ancient Egyptian doorbell?

Sounds like a knock, knock joke: k=(qu<>qu):-)


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Toot-and-come-in!

(I'm trying to cheer up Chaz. He seems to be a bit grumpy at the moment and I know he likes jokes about Ancient Egypt.)


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:33 pm 
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Rortabend wrote:
Toot-and-come-in!

(I'm trying to cheer up Chaz. He seems to be a bit grumpy at the moment and I know he likes jokes about Ancient Egypt.)


Is that like the girl who never was breast fed, but bottled fed.

Never-Titi ?

Sorry- not great - I just made it up!


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:34 pm 
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What about the the pyramid builder that swallowed a key.

He had to have Che- ops to remove it.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:28 am 
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Lovely stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: philosophy of mathematics
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:02 am 
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chaz wyman wrote:
... It is much better than faieries, I agree. More useful for one thing, but it reflects nature in human interested ways, It is apriori, not aposteriori.
Never been to happy about these terms. Are you saying that maths is a Kantian type category? Why is it not built upon experience from the world, you get circles in pools from rain, spiders webs show straight lines, as do claw marks. I accept that symbols are ours but maths appears at source to be the language for describing objects. We counted using heterogeneous sets once, we made right angles with rope and chain, a distance was how far we walked, etc. Not arguing that its not apriori when proving its own theorems, just the idea that it was not experience that gave it its grounds. Just as Logic is entailed by there being objects and states of affairs, why is Maths not the same?


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