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Are you refering to non-Christians who have had religious experiences and come to the conclusion that god is not the christian god? Are those the believers you're talking about? Or about the Hindu believers whose evidence comes from the Bhagavad Gita, from which they conclude there is a god and it's Hindu. Ah those believers. And so with respect to those believers, you the atheist christian tries to discredit their evidence. Boy your atheism is so strong.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:41 pm Drawing a conclusion without hard evidence is a rationalization and the answers to naysayers are also rationalizations.
Yet there is evidence for God and that evidence comes from the Bible and from testimony from believers who have had religious experiences. Then there are miracles and scientific unknowns. The rationalization is then by the atheists who seek to discredit the evidence.
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.
Religion goes beyond the simple existence of God and specifies characteristics, events and interpretations. I don't conclude that a particular interpretation is true (or false) but i don't think that a scientific interpretation leads to no God. I am not dogmatic. But it doesn't matter. Either way life is life.RustyBert wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:05 pm
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.
Are you refering to non-Christians who have had religious experiences and come to the conclusion that god is not the christian god? Are those the believers you're talking about? Or about the Hindu believers whose evidence comes from the Bhagavad Gita, from which they conclude there is a god and it's Hindu. Ah those believers. And so with respect to those believers, you the atheist christian tries to discredit their evidence. Boy your atheism is so strong.
If I discard all the naked facts, I haven't proven anything. So the question is unsolvable.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:23 pmReligion goes beyond the simple existence of God and specifies characteristics, events and interpretations. I don't conclude that a particular interpretation is true (or false) but i don't think that a scientific interpretation leads to no God. I am not dogmatic. But it doesn't matter. Either way life is life.RustyBert wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:05 pm
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.
Are you refering to non-Christians who have had religious experiences and come to the conclusion that god is not the christian god? Are those the believers you're talking about? Or about the Hindu believers whose evidence comes from the Bhagavad Gita, from which they conclude there is a god and it's Hindu. Ah those believers. And so with respect to those believers, you the atheist christian tries to discredit their evidence. Boy your atheism is so strong.
I call your attention to "The emperor's new clothes" by Hans Christian Anderson. There are naked facts and there are solid facts. Both kinds of facts can be very involved and that makes them seem true. I don't know if the big bang theory is true but everybody says its true so I accept it. Evolution on the other hand is definitely true because there are many solid facts to support it. Some naked facts are rationalizations. They are not solid but they could be true. There are naked facts in most disciplines including science and religion. God is not a naked fact but the supporting facts are naked yet the conclusion could be right. I'm not sure.
Looks like you missed my point. Even in your musing about if there's a god or not, you only site the christian god, the christian bible, and christian believers. My point was that your viewpoint already presupposes what it was trying to prove. You totally rule out all the other religions/believers for whom you are the atheist.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:23 pmReligion goes beyond the simple existence of God and specifies characteristics, events and interpretations. I don't conclude that a particular interpretation is true (or false) but i don't think that a scientific interpretation leads to no God. I am not dogmatic. But it doesn't matter. Either way life is life.RustyBert wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:05 pm
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.
Are you refering to non-Christians who have had religious experiences and come to the conclusion that god is not the christian god? Are those the believers you're talking about? Or about the Hindu believers whose evidence comes from the Bhagavad Gita, from which they conclude there is a god and it's Hindu. Ah those believers. And so with respect to those believers, you the atheist christian tries to discredit their evidence. Boy your atheism is so strong.
I call your attention to "The emperor's new clothes" by Hans Christian Anderson. There are naked facts and there are solid facts. Both kinds of facts can be very involved and that makes them seem true. I don't know if the big bang theory is true but everybody says its true so I accept it. Evolution on the other hand is definitely true because there are many solid facts to support it. Some naked facts are rationalizations. They are not solid but they could be true. There are naked facts in most disciplines including science and religion. God is not a naked fact but the supporting facts are naked yet the conclusion could be right. I'm not sure.
You don't know my religious affiliation (if any). For all you know I am an agnostic. You said Christian, not me. My point was "don't accept something just because everyone is on board." If the facts are iffy, be skeptical.RustyBert wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:57 pmLooks like you missed my point. Even in your musing about if there's a god or not, you only site the christian god, the christian bible, and christian believers. My point was that your viewpoint already presupposes what it was trying to prove. You totally rule out all the other religions/believers for whom you are the atheist.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:23 pmReligion goes beyond the simple existence of God and specifies characteristics, events and interpretations. I don't conclude that a particular interpretation is true (or false) but i don't think that a scientific interpretation leads to no God. I am not dogmatic. But it doesn't matter. Either way life is life.RustyBert wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:05 pm
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.
Are you refering to non-Christians who have had religious experiences and come to the conclusion that god is not the christian god? Are those the believers you're talking about? Or about the Hindu believers whose evidence comes from the Bhagavad Gita, from which they conclude there is a god and it's Hindu. Ah those believers. And so with respect to those believers, you the atheist christian tries to discredit their evidence. Boy your atheism is so strong.
I call your attention to "The emperor's new clothes" by Hans Christian Anderson. There are naked facts and there are solid facts. Both kinds of facts can be very involved and that makes them seem true. I don't know if the big bang theory is true but everybody says its true so I accept it. Evolution on the other hand is definitely true because there are many solid facts to support it. Some naked facts are rationalizations. They are not solid but they could be true. There are naked facts in most disciplines including science and religion. God is not a naked fact but the supporting facts are naked yet the conclusion could be right. I'm not sure.
In court if a lawyer asks a lying question, my lawyer should say “Objection: foundation”.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:41 pm Drawing a conclusion without hard evidence is a rationalization and the answers to naysayers are also rationalizations.
Yet there is evidence for God and that evidence comes from the Bible and from testimony from believers who have had religious experiences. Then there are miracles and scientific unknowns. The rationalization is then by the atheists who seek to discredit the evidence.
I don't know if there is a God or not, but let's keep an open mind.