Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:20 pmGreta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:55 pmEodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:54 pmAll being is rooted in "space" or "spatial properties". This includes consciousness itself. It is in these respects that with both the subjective and objective (or the axiom, for axioms are consciousness) finds its roots in space. Considering that space manifests all "being", and the nature of space itself having the same degree of "consciousness" which composes "consciousness", by default all "reality" has some degree of consciousness to it.
In these respects, and this is a very simple argument, the case for Panspychism is...well...inevitable.
That is reductionism. It seems more likely that phenomena like life, consciousness and self awareness emerged rather than always being present.
Not necessarily, the height of all experiences (specifically consciousness itself) is in a "unity" as "light". Light can comfortably argued as spatial unity considering all existence, both abstract and physical, stems from it or moves toward it. Even "reason" itself is equivocated to a form of light, hence "enlightenment".
Which definition of light applies?
1. something that makes things visible or affords illumination
2. Physics. Also called luminous energy, radiant energy. electromagnetic radiation to which the organs of sight react, ranging in wavelength from about 400 to 700 nm and propagated at a speed of 186,282 mi./sec (299,972 km/sec), considered variously as a wave, corpuscular, or quantum phenomenon.
2.a. a similar form of radiant energy that does not affect the retina, as ultraviolet or infrared rays.
3. the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of sight.
4. an illuminating agent or source, as the sun, a lamp, or a beacon.
5. the radiance or illumination from a particular source
6. the illumination from the sun; daylight
7. daybreak or dawn.
Eodnhoj wrote:Considering the all "life/consciousness/self-awareness" interacts through "space" and the observation of it the nature of self-awareness is an extension of space "curving in on itself" to maintain stability. This is strictly a structural extension of "1 universal point" in both form and function considering:
1) All self-awareness is a curvature of observation towards oneself, which geometrically reflects "circularity".
2) All awareness is a circulation of information between two or more points (we observe this in quantum mechanics).
3) All life manifests through cycles whether it is the act of reproduction as "recycling" of genes, the acts of eating/sex/etc. which operate through cycles, birth/death as cyclic movement of non-organic matter, etc.
Sure, everything is cyclic in nature, which is basically in a constant state of turning inside out, both bodies and minds. A rock turns fully inside out over the course of its existence too, with all of its insides eventually distributed to the environment, but we are not saying the rock is a conscious system, and it's a stretch to say that it is even a living system, let alone conscious. The rock could form
part of a conscious system, and rocks certainly act as substrates for living systems.
So rocks are reactive, not living (at least not until they achieve a certain size under certain conditions) or conscious. Bacteria are much more reactive than rocks and they are said to be alive, but not conscious. As you know.
Reactivity and simple life can only be thought of as conscious in a metaphorical sense, with mechanical and reflex responses being considered to be simple proto-consciousness as per Michio Kaku's conception:
Consciousness is all the feedback loops necessary to create a model of yourself in space, in relationship to others, and in time, especially forward in time. This means that animals are conscious, and we can even rank them numerically by counting the number of feedback loops involved in each of these behaviours. So a thermostat would have one unit of consciousness that measures temperature. A flower would have maybe 10 units of consciousness because it measures temperature, sunlight, gravity, moisture, things like that. A reptile would have even more, maybe several hundred, because it locates its position in space. Then monkeys are even higher than that because they have to locate their ranking in society via emotions.
If that's what you mean then our differences would probably be largely a matter of definition and nomenclature.