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Raw nerve? Was I the one talking about torturing animals?

Having once been a gardener in a rich area I think wealth matters not when it comes to owners picking-up their dogshit.

How on earth do cats inspire "selfishness and distain", its a ridiculous thought. Owners appear to love their pets no matter what creature they are.

Missing the point as usual.

so, tortured cats feel the same what tortured humans feel? do you enjoy torturing? do you feel okay?

No. You might say that "tortured cats feel the same that tortured humans feel?"
But I disagree.
Humans suffer more because they have an awareness of their doom, mortality; they truly suffer.
You can torture a dog by leaving him alone.
Cats are disdainful and selfish - so are some humans.

Like I said mammalian emotions are a spectrum.

Yup! And tread and kneel in it. But the point you missed was that its not just the 'chav' areas where dog-owners think it fine to leave cute little piles of disease; Heartworms, Whipworms, Hookworms, Roundworms, Tapeworms, Parvo, Corona, Giardiasis, Salmonellosis, Cryptosporidiosis and Campylobacteriosis, etc. Me, I pick my dogs shit-up but don't think of my dog as my widdle besty friendy wendy nor my lover.
What point? People love their cats and cats show affection. That they don't often follow commands nor obey says more about dog-owners than cat-owners I think.

How does it show more about dog/cat owners? I would have thought that animal behaviourists and evolutionists find much of interest.
The fact that cats do not follow commands says nothing whatever about their owners. No matter who owns the cat, they will not follow a command unless they want to. Dogs hunt in packs and are more responsive to what their pack is doing - that includes their owners. They are a gregarious nature, and seek and desire company. Cats are loners. Cat owners mistake their behaviour thinking it is affection when it has more to do with stimulating the human to produce food for them.

Some fucker let his dog shit right out side my back gate!

are you "Missing the point"? hint: we are talking about torturing here.
is it also okay torture people who are disdainful and selfish, if "torturing cats is okay" and "Cats are disdainful and selfish - so are some humans"? or why it is okay torture cats?

Not true about the domestic cat as they are closer to the lions, in that when feral and they can find other ferals, they live and hunt in prides, hence cats bring back kills. My take is dog-owners mistake submission to the pack-leader for affection.
Scum!

I don't agree about cats - though variance is a factor among breeds. My experience is with Siamese - disdainful scum!

On the question of affection and submission- you can say the same thing about humans.

Thank you.

Here is something I found helpful.



Is that logical?

death is better than suffering?

Comparisons require two things. Death is an absence therefore no comparison.

Life is never completed by suffering; suffering attends to only parts of life and comes in degrees of pain.
On the question is suffering better at lower degrees of pain, generally the answer will be yes. But death is not to be compared to any aspects of life.

death can be an absence many ways. dead persons absence of thinking or breathing etc. life can be too. absence of feeling of love or lazy worker etc. therefore dont generalize too obviously or the trick wont work.

are you saying that ones personal suffering wont stop if suffering person dies?
are you saying that we cant compare death and life, their relationship, saying: theres no life without death?

if death is totality of absence then you dont mind if local hospital use your apartment as body building or what you call it where they keep non breathing smelly bodies? you wont notice anything when your apartment is full of totality of absence? if child asks where have all the flowers gone, should i lie to him that dead flowers have also turned to earth and from earth rises new life, flowers and all? is "earth to earth, dust to dust" just some reliqious belief or faith? if death is totality of absence to you then you cant remember any dead people if their death and absence is total to you?

no common words here? i am speechless.

sometimes i just find it hard to believe what i have read. my problem.
like continue growing hair, beard and nails? good question. can dead body continue to decompose? can i continue if i am lying in my tv-sofa and die there? am i generalizing too much here too if i am the same bodily being, dead or alive?

drunken people say or usually shout also exactly what they want but still i sometimes try to find out what they was saying. maybe there is no relationship between a thing on one side and NOthing on the other but where IS nothing? is there nothing on the other side if there is nothing? talking about bigger than womens ass stereotyped generalizations, the biggest ones, how you can see the nothing, how you can know the nothing, how you can talk about the nothing if it is nothing? or is it? is there still some things on the other side if you look closer the the other side of butcher brothers shared dog? or are you believing in some kind of spiritual other side where is nothing? sounds fun.