Why? So you can look down your 'academically philosophical' nose at them? And I didn't know this site prohibits thinking for yourself. I don't see Hobbes using many 'philosophisms' or quoting dusty philosophers. Is there really any point in me reading people like Ayn Rand or Simone Weil? I have nothing in common with them or their 'philosophies'. Philosophy academia is littered with previously normal, but now quite insane academics who have gone mad reading screeds and screeds of diametrically opposed viewpoints. And where does thinking end, and 'studying philosophy' begin?Terrapin Station wrote:Right. So you mostly don't care for academic philosophy. Great forum to hang out in!vegetariantaxidermy wrote:'Academia' is full of highly-qualified idiots (Richard Dawkins said something like that), and philosophy academics are probably top of the list. There are a couple of professional philosophers I admire, but only because they aren't pretentious asses, and present arguments in a logical and unaffected way.Terrapin Station wrote:Is there academic philosophy you regularly read that you don't consider annoying and pretentious? Just curious what would be a couple examples of that for you.
Who are the couple philosophers you like, by the way?
Is it math or maths?
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What is right and wrong then?Terrapin Station wrote:It's not correct or incorrect. People simply have preferences about it. Preferences aren't correct or incorrect just because one feels them strongly, or just because a lot of people feel them, or just because people have felt them before.Hobbes' Choice wrote:When a person is found guilty of murder the court applies the rules of precedent to make that finding, the convict and suggest punishment. This is called the right thing to do, being the right of the judge.Terrapin Station wrote:That doesn't help make it right.
Are you saying that sending a man down for life is not right?
You could be using "right" just in the sense of "I morally prefer this" though.
Give me an example.
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Just because things evolve does not mean you can't have preferences. Change is not always good and evolution of cultural facts rests in the continued use or disuse of them. I suggest that "maths" will be preserved as a meme in the English language because it is more euphonic than math. The Maths prof in the linked vid has adopted the British way, changing her ways.Noax wrote:I say 'stats', since 'stat' means something like ASAP.Hobbes' Choice wrote:As I recall, Americans do not say "stat", but "stats" for statistics. I wonder what you say?Noax wrote:Being brought up with 'math' all my life, Hobbes explanation makes total sense. Yes, it is convention in the USA, but that does not make the convention correct. It is the sort of thing that is right or wrong. I will probably not change my spoken usage of the word, but I will on the forums, just like I usually switch to metric measurements for international conversations. Metric is not more correct, but it is far less stupid.
I was agreeing with you in that post, since you seem not to have caught on to that. But for the first reason posted, not the one you are pushing now:
No, I definitely caught on. I was just extemporising. Not criticising.
You claim to find evolution of language to be acceptable, but only so long as it does not evolve separately from your correct version. Contractions were considered vulgar, but I do see you use them (incorrectly BTW) in your posts. So the ugly argument does not exactly fly.Hobbes' Choice wrote:By virtue of the fact that "Math" is ugly.Terrapin Station wrote:By virtue of what?
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The flaw in his argument is that the word hasn't evolved to 'math' it's only Americans who have deliberately altered it for no good reason. Same as they have ruined the words 'diva' and 'liberal'. That's not evolution: it's bastardisation.Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Just because things evolve does not mean you can't have preferences. Change is not always good and evolution of cultural facts rests in the continued use or disuse of them. I suggest that "maths" will be preserved as a meme in the English language because it is more euphonic than math. The Maths prof in the linked vid has adopted the British way, changing her ways.
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I was honestly just curious who you liked.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Why? So you can look down your 'academically philosophical' nose at them?
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In the sense of correct and incorrect, something that matches states of affairs.Hobbes' Choice wrote:What is right and wrong then?Terrapin Station wrote:It's not correct or incorrect. People simply have preferences about it. Preferences aren't correct or incorrect just because one feels them strongly, or just because a lot of people feel them, or just because people have felt them before.Hobbes' Choice wrote:
When a person is found guilty of murder the court applies the rules of precedent to make that finding, the convict and suggest punishment. This is called the right thing to do, being the right of the judge.
Are you saying that sending a man down for life is not right?
You could be using "right" just in the sense of "I morally prefer this" though.
Give me an example.
So, for example, "The lunar surface is 19 percent magnesium" is correct, because that matches a state of affairs--namely that the lunar surface is 19 percent magenesium.
Or, "HobbesChoice feels that the word 'math' is ugly" is correct, because that matches a state of affairs--namely that you feel the word "math" is ugly.
But "The word math is ugly" isn't correct (or incorrect), because it doesn't match any state of affairs.
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What is the different British sense of "diva"? I'm not familiar with that one.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Same as they have ruined the words 'diva' . . .
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Your first statement is not even empirically correct.Terrapin Station wrote:In the sense of correct and incorrect, something that matches states of affairs.Hobbes' Choice wrote:What is right and wrong then?Terrapin Station wrote:It's not correct or incorrect. People simply have preferences about it. Preferences aren't correct or incorrect just because one feels them strongly, or just because a lot of people feel them, or just because people have felt them before.
You could be using "right" just in the sense of "I morally prefer this" though.
Give me an example.
So, for example, "The lunar surface is 19 percent magnesium" is correct, because that matches a state of affairs--namely that the lunar surface is 19 percent magenesium.
Or, "HobbesChoice feels that the word 'math' is ugly" is correct, because that matches a state of affairs--namely that you feel the word "math" is ugly.
But "The word math is ugly" isn't correct (or incorrect), because it doesn't match any state of affairs.
Your second contains a redundancy, as for every occasion I said that math is ugly it was me who said it.
Your third statement is false. Math is definitely ugly in the same way that Marylin Monroe was good looking, or that Hitler was naughty.
In the same way it is possible that a sample of moon dust can be found to have 19% magnesiium, another might have 19.5%, and another 18%. A generalisation you feel is correct, in every day parlance, although only an empirical average, you insist it is better than 'math is ugly'.
I submit that math is ugly is also generally true, as well as my personal opinion.
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It could be wrong--it's the sort of thing that can be correct or incorrect. One source that gives 19% is this:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Your first statement is not even empirically correct.
http://www.space.com/55-earths-moon-for ... orbit.html
I wish that made sense.Your second contains a redundancy, as for every occasion I said that math is ugly it was me who said it.
None of those are correct or incorrect.Your third statement is false. Math is definitely ugly in the same way that Marylin Monroe was good looking, or that Hitler was naughty.
There is a fact about the percentage of magnesium on the lunar surface. There are no facts about whether something is ugly.A generalisation you feel is correct, in every day parlance, although only an empirical average, you insist it is better than 'math is ugly'.
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.Terrapin Station wrote:It could be wrong--it's the sort of thing that can be correct or incorrect. One source that gives 19% is this:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Your first statement is not even empirically correct.
http://www.space.com/55-earths-moon-for ... orbit.htmlI wish that made sense.Your second contains a redundancy, as for every occasion I said that math is ugly it was me who said it.None of those are correct or incorrect.
You said""HobbesChoice feels that the word 'math' is ugly". It is redundant when hobbes is saying it. I am hobbes, I was saying it. QED it is redundant. In other words you saying that; is the same as "math is ugly" when I say it. QED what you said is correct is also neither correct or incorrect.
Your third statement is false. Math is definitely ugly in the same way that Marylin Monroe was good looking, or that Hitler was naughty.There is a fact about the percentage of magnesium on the lunar surface. There are no facts about whether something is ugly.A generalisation you feel is correct, in every day parlance, although only an empirical average, you insist it is better than 'math is ugly'.
One assay of the moon determines a mean of 19% for magnesium. No single sample would ever produce EXACTLY 19%. Therefore you are not correct. It is more generally true that Hitler is nasty; more so that a simple matter of fact that the moon is 19% Mg.
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There's no 'British sense' of diva. It's a word with a very specific meaning. It literally means 'goddess' and is SUPPOSED to be a title of great honour for an outstanding female opera singer. How that came to 'mean' 'spoilt female brat' is beyond comprehension.Terrapin Station wrote:What is the different British sense of "diva"? I'm not familiar with that one.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Same as they have ruined the words 'diva' . . .
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What?? Are you reading it in some weird Aspie way or something?Hobbes' Choice wrote:One assay of the moon determines a mean of 19% for magnesium. No single sample would ever produce EXACTLY 19%. Therefore you are not correct. It is more generally true that Hitler is nasty; more so that a simple matter of fact that the moon is 19% Mg.
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Not an Aspie-like response from you, too. <sigh>vegetariantaxidermy wrote:There's no 'British sense' of diva. It's a word with a very specific meaning. It literally means 'goddess' and is SUPPOSED to be a title of great honour for an outstanding female opera singer. How that came to 'mean' 'spoilt female brat' is beyond comprehension.Terrapin Station wrote:What is the different British sense of "diva"? I'm not familiar with that one.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Same as they have ruined the words 'diva' . . .
What is the very specific meaning?
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"It literally means 'goddess' and is SUPPOSED to be a title of great honour for an outstanding female opera singer."
Americans use it that way, too.
The other, "haughty attitude" sense of the term is a metaphorical extension of the "outstanding female opera singer" sense--the idea is that someone is acting above everyone else, like a star who deserves special treatment as such, etc.
Americans use it that way, too.
The other, "haughty attitude" sense of the term is a metaphorical extension of the "outstanding female opera singer" sense--the idea is that someone is acting above everyone else, like a star who deserves special treatment as such, etc.