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President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:33 pm

First of all, it is absolutely inappropriate for the president to comment on private matters of any kind. On the other hand, it is absolutely appropriate for NFL owners to immediately fire players who negatively affect team profitability.

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:50 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:33 pm
First of all, it is absolutely inappropriate for the president to comment on private matters of any kind. On the other hand, it is absolutely appropriate for NFL owners to immediately fire players who negatively affect team profitability.
So if a team loses money, which is a different matter, the owner should do nothing.

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Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:05 pm

What I'm saying is that any employee anywhere who causes problems for his employer shouldn't be surprised when he's shown the door. And if I were the owner of the team who hired the singer that made her own political statement by kneeling at the end of our national anthem, I'd hold up her check until the matter was settled in court.
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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:09 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:33 pm
First of all, it is absolutely inappropriate for the president to comment on private matters of any kind. On the other hand, it is absolutely appropriate for NFL owners to immediately fire players who negatively affect team profitability.
The national anthem event isn't private. Also you're saying when a group commits violence such as the NeoNazis did, it's okay for the President to remain silent while a peaceful response such as kneeling, the President shouldn't tolerate.

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm

Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Vendetta » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:34 pm

I think the key here is the idea of a political comment. The president in this context was condemning the idea of not respecting the anthem and/or flag. While he said the players should be fired, it was from the perspective of one opposed to their statement and manner of demonstrating it, not the fact that it may have affected their job performance. That is for the employers to work out.

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Oh traitorous Bob, while we're on this topic, do you kneel when pledging allegiance to the flag? Aren't you the one who keeps saying you want to see one of our states secede?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:43 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Is pledging allegiance in the job description?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:45 pm

Vendetta wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:34 pm
I think the key here is the idea of a political comment. The president in this context was condemning the idea of not respecting the anthem and/or flag. While he said the players should be fired, it was from the perspective of one opposed to their statement and manner of demonstrating it, not the fact that it may have affected their job performance. That is for the employers to work out.
I'm sorry, but disrespecting the national anthem does in fact affect their job performance in providing the total entertainment value that fans are paying for via ticket purchases or watching on TV through advertising dollars spent on their behalf. Team ownership does not give players free advertising to promote their political viewpoints to the world.

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:51 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Oh traitorous Bob, while we're on this topic, do you kneel when pledging allegiance to the flag? Aren't you the one who keeps saying you want to see one of our states secede?

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People who pledge allegiance to flags are idiots.

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:54 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:51 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Oh traitorous Bob, while we're on this topic, do you kneel when pledging allegiance to the flag? Aren't you the one who keeps saying you want to see one of our states secede?

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People who pledge allegiance to flags are idiots.
Have you ever pledged allegiance to the flag?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:54 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:43 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Is pledging allegiance in the job description?

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Any on-the-job actions that cause problems for a company is sufficient reason for job termination, my friend.
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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:55 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:45 pm
Vendetta wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:34 pm
I think the key here is the idea of a political comment. The president in this context was condemning the idea of not respecting the anthem and/or flag. While he said the players should be fired, it was from the perspective of one opposed to their statement and manner of demonstrating it, not the fact that it may have affected their job performance. That is for the employers to work out.
I'm sorry, but disrespecting the national anthem does in fact affect their job performance in providing the total entertainment value that fans are paying for via ticket purchases or watching on TV through advertising dollars spent on their behalf. Team ownership does not give players free advertising to promote their political viewpoints to the world.
Do you have any studies to back you up?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:59 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:51 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:19 pm
Again, it is inappropriate for the president to comment on what players do on the football field as a political comment. However, team ownership has every right to control the actions of its employees in carrying out their jobs. ¿Entiende, por favor?
Oh traitorous Bob, while we're on this topic, do you kneel when pledging allegiance to the flag? Aren't you the one who keeps saying you want to see one of our states secede?

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People who pledge allegiance to flags are idiots.
Once again Bob, have you ever pledged allegiance to the flag?

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Re: President Trump's Comments About On-Field Political Protests by NFL Players

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:02 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:55 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:45 pm
Vendetta wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:34 pm
I think the key here is the idea of a political comment. The president in this context was condemning the idea of not respecting the anthem and/or flag. While he said the players should be fired, it was from the perspective of one opposed to their statement and manner of demonstrating it, not the fact that it may have affected their job performance. That is for the employers to work out.
I'm sorry, but disrespecting the national anthem does in fact affect their job performance in providing the total entertainment value that fans are paying for via ticket purchases or watching on TV through advertising dollars spent on their behalf. Team ownership does not give players free advertising to promote their political viewpoints to the world.
Do you have any studies to back you up?

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Please, are you actually suggesting some kind of study is needed to show that team ownership does not give players free advertising to promote their political viewpoints to the world?

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