Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:20 am
ken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:53 pm
The 'I' is NOT ken, nor dontaskme. Is that understood?
Yes, understood.
You are referring to the pure 'I' beyond all attributes, and NOT the troubling judgemental existential 'i' that likes to think it is the observer and knower. It wrongly identifies with itself by attributing an attitude of 'Right' and 'Wrong' doings....whereas, the pure 'I' is unconcerned with such banal trivialities?
Would dontaskme say that, because the 'I' is illuminating 'what IS', then the 'I' could be somewhat concerned with what IS true, what IS right, and what IS wrong, and trying to shine that knowledge onto human beings? Could the pure 'I' be trying to enlighten human beings, and has been trying to do this for centuries?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:20 amThe pure 'I' has no such concerns or agendas, it simply illuminates "what is", be it material or immaterial, relative or absolute, hidden or revealed. And one such "what is" illuminated is the unreality of thoughts.
If the 'I' simply illumates 'what IS', then that 'illuminating' could suggest that the 'I' is shining a light on what IS actually right and wrong? The illuminating light just being a guiding light for human beings to follow?
dontaskme wrote,
"And one such "what is" illuminated is the unreality of thoughts", is that a dontaskme perspective of things or is that a perspective coming from the pure 'I'? Because to Me 'thoughts' exist. Thoughts are real and NOT unreal. Some thoughts might be completely disillusioned, false, wrong, and incorrect, but even those thoughts are still real, right? If a thought exists, no matter what type of thought it is, it is real. Does dontaskme agree with this?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:20 amken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:53 pmSo, WHY does dontaskme speak so much here in this forum trying to tell others what the truth is from dontaskme's perspective?
Why does dontaskme just shut-up and let the Truth speak for Itself? Why does dontaskme appear to have a NEED to express the truth as dontaskme sees it?
Because the mind is incapable of shutting-up, it likes to take centre stage, it likes to think it is the observer forgetting that the real observer is the often neglected ever shining illuminating permanence always behind the mind's impermanence illuminating it for what it is/not.
IT'S called ENTERTAINMENT.
If you want to elaborate on what the 'mind' is exactly, and how it works, then feel free to support what you say here.
I have already explained how and why human beings, themselves, try to take centre stage. Part of the reason is because the real pure 'I', within all people, actually IS at centre stage and It also does have the right to take centre and want and do only for Its Self. Because the 'I' is the One and only, and every thing else are just parts of this One, including ALL human beings, the 'I' only speaks for and only does for EVERY thing, any way. People just confuse this Self-centredness with their own personal self. Human beings think themselves as being some thing special, above and beyond other things. This can be seen and evidenced just about any where human beings are. Human beings do not shut-up. The one and only Mind, however, is silent. This is HOW It can see, understand, and thus, KNOW ALL things.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:20 amken wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:53 pmI WAS talking about HOW to
find truth and expressing that process correctly. I was NOT talking about how to express truth correctly. A big difference that seems to have been overlooked. The Truth, although silent as you also agree with, IS only fully understood and KNOWN to be thee Truth when EVERY thing IS in agreement. But getting to this point, understanding, and knowing is a far way off for those human beings who are NOT open.
The two I's will never agree, they are opposing opposites, so the opposite is also true. Never the twain shall meet. Two minds can never meet.
Why did dontaskme now say, "The two I's will never agree"? There are NO two I's. There is ONLY One I. dontaskme said that they understood that the 'I' is the pure One, at the beginning of this post, but now dontaskme does not seem to understand that.[/quote]
The 'i' does NOT have a mind, so there are NO two minds to meet. There is only One Mind, which is the 'I', that IS at the center of ALL things, Everything.
Of course human beings, the i's, do not always agree with the pure One 'I', human beings do not even agree among themselves, they do not even agree with one's own self on many occasions, but there can be and IS agreement on some things. Those things, which ALL are in agreement on, IS 'what IS' the Truth.
There are, however, as many differing 'set of thoughts' as there as many differing human bodies, but contrary to popular belief there are NO different minds, and, 'thoughts' are also NOT minds.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:20 amFortunately, one simply need not do anything at all to be at perfect rest, peace and in truth right now. This is it. You're IT.
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Good day.
Again, dontaskme is trying to relay 'what IS' known by the pure 'I', but unfortunately dontaskme does it such a misinterpreted, misunderstood and unable to be supported way, that what they are doing is actually causing more confusion, than clarity, for others.
I have already explained that the 'I' is One. If a person uses the term 'you', then they are obviously referring to another. So, it does not make sense to say some thing like "You're IT". There obviously can not be a 'you', which refers to another, that is IT. 'IT' being the pure 'I'.
What dontaskme is trying to say and get to is right. But surely dontaskme can recognize the language, terms, and words that they are using just does not work. If it did, then dontaskme could use language, terms, and words to clarify exactly what they mean.
The 'I' is IT, of which there is ONLY One. 'you' is just another 'i', of which there are many. So, 'you' are NOT IT. Only 'I' am IT. HOW I KNOW this is correct, and can be wholly and completely supported and backed up with evidence and proof, IS because I have the full support of absolutely EVERY thing. When one can see from the perspective of ALL, then 'what IS' is plainly obvious. To be able to see from the perspective of ALL just takes being completely and fully OPEN. To become completely and fully, thus truly, OPEN comes from being truly HONEST.