marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 am
ken wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 am
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:54 pm
And how to find peace if misunderstood?
Your post reminded me of the Prayer of St. Francis.
Basically, the focus shifts: To understand v to be understood.
To actively bring peace; love; hope; consolation...compared to hate; despair; sadness.
So, it takes at least two. Someone who wants to be understood, needs the understanding of another.
And how do we reach understanding...by experience and careful listening. And ability to communicate clearly and honestly.
Not so hard you would think...
Only a lifetime's work...and even then...
One worry is finding the right words, especially to the dying. Some understand without words. Sometimes a hug is enough. Some don't want to be touched. It is knowing the person and relating - so as to maximise peace/healing - minimise hurt and harm.
We can only do our best.
What is it you want people to understand?
That, as an adult, you are totally responsible for how you behave and misbehave, and if you are truly honest and open about the wrong behavior along with seriously willing to change, for the better, then you will be enlightened to those answers you are seeking as well as obtain that what you started out truly wanting in life.
So, I had a look at your Introduction. From that, it seems clear that you have a message for others in how to live in peace and harmony. You found a 'formula' after seeking help to become a better person. 'Just by truly listening and by truly answering honestly and fully those meaningful questions of life just start coming to light'...you 'began to discover how mind and brain works'. Leading to 'How to gain full understanding and thus forgiveness'. So, some kind of enlightenment as to who you are and what it is all about. You suggest that if we are open ( not believing or disbelieving in anything) > true intelligence > learn more, 'including how easy it really is for all of us to live in peace and harmony'.
You claim to see and understand why every person is the way they are and why they do the things they do. You state you enjoy the challenge of 'learning how to show [us] how to live in peace and harmony. The hardest thing is to show 'that what is right when others do not and will not believe'.
So far, so good?
All pretty good indeed, that us until the very last sentence. I certainly do not have any thing to believe, nor to believe in. If I wrote the last part of the last sentence, then I should have added "that it could even be true."
And now - before your body stops breathing, the important thing to do is 'learning how to be understood'.
The aim for all of us to live in peace and harmony, after being enlightened.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amDo you consider your current life to be peaceful and harmonious?
To a certain extent yes.
So was I wrong in thinking that you were asking Me for clarification about Me?
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amGiven the diversity of people, thoughts, problems in the world - I doubt there will ever be a time when all of us will live in peace and harmony.
Do you have 'doubt' from the context of that it might be possible for all of us to live in peace and harmony, or from the context that it will be impossible for all of us to live in peace and harmony?
Your answer will influence whether or not it is worth to carry on with this discussion.
If and when you KNOW WHY there IS such diversity of such things, then you will be able to see just how easy peace and harmony CAN come about.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amAnd that is a good thing.
Who wants peace in the world, if it is dependent on us having some kind of static agreement or understanding,
Who ever or when ever was it ever stated that peace is dependent upon static agreement or static understanding? Sounds like some one is making assumptions based on previous experiences.
I am not sure what this question is in reference to exactly.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amA singular kind of enlightenment formula ?
I am not sure what a 'singular kind of enlightenment formula' refers to exactly. Enlightenment is enlightenment is it not?
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amI doubt your claim that you 'can see and understand why every person is the way they are and why they do the things they do'.
Thanks for informing us of that. There does not seem to be any sort of curiosity here. If there was, then some sort of challenging question would have been posed.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amBut please do carry on enjoying the challenge of persuasion.
But I am NOT trying to persuade any thing at all. The reason you are making these wrong assumptions is obvious. Making assumptions can cause complete confusion, which can create a much worse "world", and I want a much better "world" for My children. This is why it is important to me to be understood before this body stops breathing.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amBecause that is what I think this is - not so much a concern of 'learning how to be understood'. It is in people's rejection of your particular 'understanding' which comes over as being morally superior.
But no person who has heard My particular understanding has rejected it, yet. And, no person on this forum has shown any interest in hearing it anyway.
And, if I am coming across as being morally superior, then that shows just how much more learning I need in order to express better. I am certainly not morally superior to any one else.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 am How do you know you are 'better' than the person you were before...how do you know 'what is right'.
Because I know who and what decides on that.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 amWould you want everyone to believe as you do
But I do NOT want anyone to believe (in) any thing, let alone everyone to believe (in) any thing. How many times do I have to repeat before people understand what I am actually saying? I thought I had made it quite clear that the opposite of believing is what I found to be far more beneficial for learning and gaining understanding. Openness instead of believing is what I want understood if people really want to become wise.
marjoram_blues wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:04 am - is it important before people die for them to have 'understood' your message?
Not at all. What I want to convey is for children and ALL their children, and so on. What I want to be understood is for the benefit of ALL people for ALL time. My message is for future peoples. I am not here to convince nor persuade any one of any thing. Either what I propose shows how a truly peaceful world is possible or it does not. The quicker people stop believing, start to open up and become more curious, then the quicker peace in harmony could come to fruition. If it takes centuries to come about, then so be it. So, in order to make the best life for My children thus is only important for Me before this body stops breathing. What is important for people before they "die" is up to them solely.