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Doesn't change what is not an alternative fact tho' :lol:
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No, but it's interesting that you and Trump think the same way, which is kind of scary.
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Thinking's not nearly as scary as you imagine, Reverend Bob.
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uwot wrote:Thinking's not nearly as scary as you imagine, Reverend Bob.
It must be since everybody in this forum with the exception of yours truly avoids it with a passion.
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Is that a huge scary, I mean a really big huge scary thing bob?

I think you are much more like the Trumpette bob as like him alternative facts are your metier.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: There was a time, not so long ago that no one had a phone.
My family did not even have a land line until 1968. And I did not bother with a mobile until 1998, when I lived in a house with no landline at all.
Wow. I totally see the lack of need for a landline these days, but only because cell phone usage is so cheap now. I still remember when cell phones were a luxury and one always resorted to landline use over the cell phone, where possible.

How on earth did you communicate with, or make appointments with people, such as medical or dental practises? How would you communicate with schools and other services, like the emergency services?

We take so much for granted these days that I wonder what we will fall back on when the world as we know it collapses, due to war, or should a more widespread natural catastrophe occur? Carrier pigeons?!!
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ForCruxSake wrote:Wow. I totally see the lack of need for a landline these days, but only because cell phone usage is so cheap now. I still remember when cell phones were a luxury and one always resorted to landline use over the cell phone, where possible. ...
My dad still turns his mobile off has he finds it offensive to just be bothered by people anywhere anytime.
How on earth did you communicate with, or make appointments with people, such as medical or dental practises? How would you communicate with schools and other services, like the emergency services?
You had local services.
We take so much for granted these days that I wonder what we will fall back on when the world as we know it collapses, due to war, or should a more widespread natural catastrophe occur? Carrier pigeons?!!
Living locally I suppose.
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Arising_uk wrote:My dad still turns his mobile off has he finds it offensive to just be bothered by people anywhere anytime.
I dont think your dad's alone in this respect. Perhaps it could be considered an advantage of the mobile, as one would never usually do this with a landline. You could disconnect the line at the socket, but who ever did that? Mobiles are personal objects, the landline a shared facility.
Arising_uk wrote:
ForCruxSake wrote:How on earth did you communicate with, or make appointments with people, such as medical or dental practises? How would you communicate with schools and other services, like the emergency services?
You had local services.
ForCruxSake wrote:We take so much for granted these days that I wonder what we will fall back on when the world as we know it collapses, due to war, or should a more widespread natural catastrophe occur? Carrier pigeons?!!
Living locally I suppose.
I was brought up, and continue to live, in a huge city where, even though we have smaller local areas, one's sense of locality usually spreads out a lot further. You live in one area, work in another, socialise elsewhere completely. Every large city is a huge locality in which it's hard to dwell without a phone. Maybe I should test this and try a week without?

Just thinking about it is causing me pain...
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ForCruxSake wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote: There was a time, not so long ago that no one had a phone.
My family did not even have a land line until 1968. And I did not bother with a mobile until 1998, when I lived in a house with no landline at all.
Wow. I totally see the lack of need for a landline these days, but only because cell phone usage is so cheap now. I still remember when cell phones were a luxury and one always resorted to landline use over the cell phone, where possible.

How on earth did you communicate with, or make appointments with people, such as medical or dental practises? How would you communicate with schools and other services, like the emergency services?

We take so much for granted these days that I wonder what we will fall back on when the world as we know it collapses, due to war, or should a more widespread natural catastrophe occur? Carrier pigeons?!!
You don't need a phone. There were public phones, back then. You could call in and talk to a human being to make appointment too.
You should throw your bloody phone away for a few months. In the first month you will find that you can get on perfectly well without it. In the second month, you will find a sense of freedom, and in the third you might consider that the fuck you have been doing paying some faceless corporation all that money every month.
The beauty of NOT having a phone is that you are free from the constant interference with your life that a phone gives over to the rest of the world on your behalf.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:You don't need a phone. There were public phones, back then. You could call in and talk to a human being to make appointment too.
So you do need a phone, just not one that follows you around (because you choose to carry it).
Hobbes' Choice wrote:You should throw your bloody phone away for a few months. In the first month you will find that you can get on perfectly well without it. In the second month, you will find a sense of freedom, and in the third you might consider that the fuck you have been doing paying some faceless corporation all that money every month.
The beauty of NOT having a phone is that you are free from the constant interference with your life that a phone gives over to the rest of the world on your behalf.
I'm not too sure about this. My mobile tariff covering everything (minutes, texts and unlimited data) is cheaper than the basic line rental on my landline, which I never use! (Loyalty to my service provider has proved very attractive on the deal I have). The landline is there in case of emergency should anything happen to the mobile. I also depend on the phone for work, and for family contact, particularly as I'm on the move quite a lot. I don't know about dumping the phone for a short time... but if I don't try, I'll never know. I've never been on a phone diet before.
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ForCruxSake wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:You don't need a phone. There were public phones, back then. You could call in and talk to a human being to make appointment too.
So you do need a phone, just not one that follows you around (because you choose to carry it).
Hobbes' Choice wrote:You should throw your bloody phone away for a few months. In the first month you will find that you can get on perfectly well without it. In the second month, you will find a sense of freedom, and in the third you might consider that the fuck you have been doing paying some faceless corporation all that money every month.
The beauty of NOT having a phone is that you are free from the constant interference with your life that a phone gives over to the rest of the world on your behalf.
I'm not too sure about this. My mobile tariff covering everything (minutes, texts and unlimited data) is cheaper than the basic line rental on my landline, which I never use! (Loyalty to my service provider has proved very attractive on the deal I have). The landline is there in case of emergency should anything happen to the mobile. I also depend on the phone for work, and for family contact, particularly as I'm on the move quite a lot. I don't know about dumping the phone for a short time... but if I don't try, I'll never know. I've never been on a phone diet before.
Humans have evolved for a million years without a phone. Think it over.
You think a phone gives you freedom but its just another form of slavery and dependancy.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Humans have evolved for a million years without a phone. Think it over.
You think a phone gives you freedom but its just another form of slavery and dependancy.
Thinking it over. Ironically, with my phone in my hand to tap out my reply.

I don't think the phone gives me freedom. I think it's a convenience that helps me manage my enslavement by, and dependency on, the modern age.

The fact that humans evolved over a millions years without a phone seems a poor call out in the discussion. They developed for a million years without well constructed buildings, or irrigation, yet would we dismiss these things so easily?

I see the negatives, the break down in social communication as family members sit at the dinner table texting, or checking their social media, rather than talk to each other. Heads constantly bowed towards the phones, or mobile devices, in their hands, that their heads and hands have forgotten how to do other things.

On the plus side, mobile phones have saved the lives of people trapped in remote places. Of less importance, but as great a value to me, I have made such wonderful friends across the world and the phone gives me access to them. Look at us now, using technology to communicate. You have no idea how beautiful a voice I may have, nor I, you. Without a phone, or similarly developed technology, such as wireless radio, we could never know.
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ForCruxSake wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Humans have evolved for a million years without a phone. Think it over.
You think a phone gives you freedom but its just another form of slavery and dependancy.
Thinking it over. Ironically, with my phone in my hand to tap out my reply.

I don't think the phone gives me freedom. I think it's a convenience that helps me manage my enslavement by, and dependency on, the modern age.

The fact that humans evolved over a millions years without a phone seems a poor call out in the discussion. They developed for a million years without well constructed buildings, or irrigation, yet would we dismiss these things so easily?

Phones have not helped the construction of buildings not irrigation, both of which were perfected long before the mobile phone.


I see the negatives, the break down in social communication as family members sit at the dinner table texting, or checking their social media, rather than talk to each other. Heads constantly bowed towards the phones, or mobile devices, in their hands, that their heads and hands have forgotten how to do other things.

On the plus side, mobile phones have saved the lives of people trapped in remote places.

Not really. Remote places are not even on the grid.

Of less importance, but as great a value to me, I have made such wonderful friends across the world and the phone gives me access to them. Look at us now, using technology to communicate. You have no idea how beautiful a voice I may have, nor I, you. Without a phone, or similarly developed technology, such as wireless radio, we could never know.
I'm really talking about the difference between mobile and landline.
But hey - all those FaceBook "friends", are not friends at all.
Before social media people had real friends.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
ForCruxSake wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Humans have evolved for a million years without a phone. Think it over.
You think a phone gives you freedom but its just another form of slavery and dependancy.
Thinking it over. Ironically, with my phone in my hand to tap out my reply.

I don't think the phone gives me freedom. I think it's a convenience that helps me manage my enslavement by, and dependency on, the modern age.

The fact that humans evolved over a millions years without a phone seems a poor call out in the discussion. They developed for a million years without well constructed buildings, or irrigation, yet would we dismiss these things so easily?
Phones have not helped the construction of buildings not irrigation, both of which were perfected long before the mobile phone.
That's just word play. You know what I meant, don't you? (One can never take anything for granted here.) That phones are no less important a development than buildings or irrigation.
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ForCruxSake wrote: On the plus side, mobile phones have saved the lives of people trapped in remote places.
Not really. Remote places are not even on the grid.
Well, if they're that off the grid, its amazing that folk can get there to get trapped in the first place! For those that deliberately venture into places where they can not be heard as they scream for help, then that is a choice they make. I wouldn't wish that kind of misfortune on anyone, let alone choose it for myself. Most adventurers or explorers, I suspect, would want to be able to communicate in an emergency situation. Those inaccessible places (that aren't underwater or underground) where a signal can be bounced off are usually accessible by satellite. People use satellite phones as they climb Everest.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
ForCruxSake wrote: Of less importance, but as great a value to me, I have made such wonderful friends across the world and the phone gives me access to them. Look at us now, using technology to communicate. You have no idea how beautiful a voice I may have, nor I, you. Without a phone, or similarly developed technology, such as wireless radio, we could never know.
But hey - all those FaceBook "friends", are not friends at all.
That's a rather generalised assumption on your part that doesn't apply to me at all. All my Facebook friends, except for one, are people I have met in person. Some are the very "real friends" to whom you refer, that I knew in the pre-Internet days, with whom I had lost contact. I could not have regained contact with them WITHOUT Facebook. No-one, on my FB friends list, is a stranger and I don't accept friendship requests from those I don't know, or in whom I have little interest, whether I have met them, or not. The one friend I have never met in the flesh, is someone with whom I have had to face-to-face, over Skype, in the work context. He's based in India and is an amazing person. I am proud to count him as a friend even though we have only met over Skype. I've been invited to stay, should I find myself in his part of the world. Likewise, if he ever visits my part of the world, there'll be a room for him.
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Before social media people had real friends
Before social media, some people had NO friends at all. Some had no way to get out and technology set them free. I know someone with cerebral palsy who didn't stand a chance in hell of meeting the love of his life in his local community. He's now happily married to someone he met, through international academic circles, who lived in another continent.

Say what you will about the negative aspects of any technology, there are always benefits. There is no ultimate pro or con. One just has to work out whether the pros outweigh the cons, or vice versa, for oneself.
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