Has anyone heard about the problem at forums.philosophyforums.com?

[Greta]

Online Philosophy Club Is for PAEDOS.

That's a rather icky comment. I think you are referring to a notorious old thread where someone questioned whether molesting is unethical if the child enjoys it. The idea is no less insane than numerous other off-beam ideas that are touted online, just that those ideas are especially repellent, roughly akin to some of the heavy religious fascism, sexism and homophobia pushed by some on forums. The common thread is destructive inclinations, both intentional and otherwise. I see it as probabilities. Some will necessarily be more or less destructive than others.

Pretty sure the current OPC crew is as clean as one can hope, given that everyone's an unknown. Like this forum, it has its good days and bad days, but the bad days are less insane than here because of the tighter rules. I enjoy each approach. One can speak frankly and freely here (if wearing a crash helmet :), which is a mixed blessing and it largely depends on maintaining discipline. I love the notification system here, being able to immediately see replies. Wish it was on all forums (I'm also on a musician forum that uses the same software as PN and OPC and it too lacks automatic notifications).

The other forum is safer and less trollish, which relatively attracts more academic talk and more women (although still a small minority). They lose some newbs, who are put off by the moderation delay when they start out, which is sometimes a shame, sometimes a relief. I agree with TSBU's comment above: "you can't edit posts, slow when you are new, lot of religious stuff". The latter is an increasing irritant for me - I am being ever more selective there because I am bored by the dogmatic claims of those who strongly believe in things.

Still, I see no competition between forums and, if there is one, I don't much pay attention to it. Horses for courses.

[TSBU]

I agree with TSBU's comment above: "you can't edit posts, slow when you are new, lot of religious stuff". The latter is an increasing irritant for me - I am being ever more selective there because I am bored by the dogmatic claims of those who strongly believe in things.

Still, I see no competition between forums and, if there is one, I don't much pay attention to it. Horses for courses.

You can strongly believe in things and not be dogmatic. At least for the meaning I give for the word "dogma". And what I dislike more in that forum is the low activity.
Forums with lot of activity allways have lot of crap, but it seems like the percentage of "interesting" things for me, is the same everywhere, or it changes just a little. So more crap is also more good things.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Online Philosophy Club Is for PAEDOS.

That's a rather icky comment. I think you are referring to a notorious old thread where someone questioned whether molesting is unethical if the child enjoys it. The idea is no less insane than numerous other off-beam ideas that are touted online, just that those ideas are especially repellent, roughly akin to some of the heavy religious fascism, sexism and homophobia pushed by some on forums. The common thread is destructive inclinations, both intentional and otherwise. I see it as probabilities. Some will necessarily be more or less destructive than others.

Pretty sure the current OPC crew is as clean as one can hope, given that everyone's an unknown. Like this forum, it has its good days and bad days, but the bad days are less insane than here because of the tighter rules. I enjoy each approach. One can speak frankly and freely here (if wearing a crash helmet , which is a mixed blessing and it largely depends on maintaining discipline. I love the notification system here, being able to immediately see replies. Wish it was on all forums (I'm also on a musician forum that uses the same software as PN and OPC and it too lacks automatic notifications).

The other forum is safer and less trollish, which relatively attracts more academic talk and more women (although still a small minority). They lose some newbs, who are put off by the moderation delay when they start out, which is sometimes a shame, sometimes a relief. I agree with TSBU's comment above: "you can't edit posts, slow when you are new, lot of religious stuff". The latter is an increasing irritant for me - I am being ever more selective there because I am bored by the dogmatic claims of those who strongly believe in things.

Still, I see no competition between forums and, if there is one, I don't much pay attention to it. Horses for courses.

Several people were banned for objecting to that thread, and arguing against it, by Scott who is something of a compulsive obsessive with a lack of emotional empathy.

[Greta]

Several people were banned for objecting to that thread, and arguing against it, by Scott who is something of a compulsive obsessive with a lack of emotional empathy.

Were ad hominem attacks used in arguing against the thread, resulting in the ban? No one's going to be banned for saying "I strongly object to x due to y".

[TSBU]

I love this comic.
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/upl ... 40x199.png

[Hobbes' Choice]

Several people were banned for objecting to that thread, and arguing against it, by Scott who is something of a compulsive obsessive with a lack of emotional empathy.

Were ad hominem attacks used in arguing against the thread, resulting in the ban? .

No.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I love this comic.
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/upl ... 40x199.png

This sums up exactly the excuse used to ban me and others for defending defenceless children.

[TSBU]

I love this comic.
http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/upl ... 40x199.png

This sums up exactly the excuse used to ban me and others for defending defenceless children.

http://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/itsnotitsnew.gif

[Scott Mayers]

Someone from here recommended I check this site out before. I signed up and then a few months ago, it simply deteriorated as though the 'owners' died and some bugs have been slowly consuming it. I am asking only to determine if anyone actually had also been signed up there and if they experienced the same problems. I need to determine if that site was never real in the first place or some scam.

It is located at: http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

You can get in, but it says you have no permission when trying to see any postings, etc.

I used to post there.
And it is no longer working properly, this is a shame since it was the best of the four main ones.
If you are the Scott who owns one of the others then you might do well to not bother posting any paedophile stuff, since we are able to criticise it here.

What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm the ONLY one I'm aware of using my name anywhere. So please explain yourself.

[Scott Mayers]

You can get in, but it says you have no permission when trying to see any postings, etc.

That permissions error began to appear on Aug 19th. Since then the site began to take a long time to load, and coupled with the inability to look at anything, I haven't been back. The site suffered from neglect of database bugs for a couple months before that. Doesn't seem to be ever coming back.

I had to ask because other than PhilX that I've talked to, I couldn't be sure if the site was actually shut down or something happened to the 'owners'. No owner responded and the volunteer 'admins' (moderators) lacked any actual control of the site. That is, some one responded to me and others claiming they had no idea and that they had no control either.

I wouldn't normally think anything of it except the site looked rather popular and had relatively 'good' software up to the point of problems. Perhaps, for instance, the owner had some heart attack or some other problem. It just seems odd that it would all of a sudden have such problems as such. It appeared that they also originally had some credible philosophic meets there...just another oddity that the site would go down without notice. Perhaps the PhilosophyNow owners, and the magazine staff, could seek to see what might be the case if they have some interconnected relations with other site owners?

[Philosophy Explorer]

You can get in, but it says you have no permission when trying to see any postings, etc.

That permissions error began to appear on Aug 19th. Since then the site began to take a long time to load, and coupled with the inability to look at anything, I haven't been back. The site suffered from neglect of database bugs for a couple months before that. Doesn't seem to be ever coming back.

I had to ask because other than PhilX that I've talked to, I couldn't be sure if the site was actually shut down or something happened to the 'owners'. No owner responded and the volunteer 'admins' (moderators) lacked any actual control of the site. That is, some one responded to me and others claiming they had no idea and that they had no control either.

I wouldn't normally think anything of it except the site looked rather popular and had relatively 'good' software up to the point of problems. Perhaps, for instance, the owner had some heart attack or some other problem. It just seems odd that it would all of a sudden have such problems as such. It appeared that they also originally had some credible philosophic meets there...just another oddity that the site would go down without notice. Perhaps the PhilosophyNow owners, and the magazine staff, could seek to see what might be the case if they have some interconnected relations with other site owners?

In fact Scott, there is a connection between PF and PN because I spotted Rick Lewis over at PF.

PhilX

[Scott Mayers]

I just started posting there this past spring, so I didn't get to see it in its working state for very long, but it was a good forum for the couple months I was able to enjoy it.

Someone bought the site in the last year or two. It's odd that they did, because obviously they're happy to let it just die. There was a major crash that kept the site completely offline for 10 days or two weeks or so, and then when it finally came back online it was completely buggy. The bugs have only gotten worse, so that tons of people, including me, now receive a "you do not have permission to view this" (or whatever it says exactly) error whenever you try to read any threads . . . which makes it completely useless now. I no longer visit and try to put up with the other bugs, which is what I was doing for a month or so, hoping that it would finally be fixed.

I've seen this done with other businesses that do good here in North America often. A company wanting to 'compete' with some entity that is providing a HIGH-demand and HIGH-quality product or service has taken the initiative to buy out such entities just to purposely dump them. Kraft did this with a very good chocolate bar that used Belgian soft chocolates in a 'truffle' that was extremely popular. The "Zero" bar was this and tasted even better than those 'icicle' (?) chocolates. It had a nutty smooth flavor and three varieties: White, Dark, and Milk Chocolates. They were also 'seasonal' for the fact they had a low melting point.

One month a few years ago I bought the product(s) and noticed the flavor completely 'cheapened' to a mere "Hershey" chocolate, no nutty flavor, and a higher melting point. I felt we were cheated. I asked the retailer but they didn't know anything and so looked up online hard to determine what occurred. I discovered that Kraft, a Canadian process cheese company, bought this company out, but did NOT buy the recipe from Europe. I thought this was odd so contacted the company. They completely DENIED any knowledge of this and all of a sudden I could no longer find the information online that I sought.

To me, this kind of behavior is PROOF of a concern I have of the complete power of corporations now to MONOPOLIZE markets AGAINST demand. Lately, this has been occurring to a great extent here and all over the world. Especially, lots of BAIT AND SWITCH of quality of products. This is another thread topic and will leave that there. But the suspicion I have seems to be potentially the same thing going on with that site. Otherwise, it is odd no one has attempted to determine WHY ....ANYWHERE. (NO Internet links on Google to this!!)

[Scott Mayers]

That permissions error began to appear on Aug 19th. Since then the site began to take a long time to load, and coupled with the inability to look at anything, I haven't been back. The site suffered from neglect of database bugs for a couple months before that. Doesn't seem to be ever coming back.

I had to ask because other than PhilX that I've talked to, I couldn't be sure if the site was actually shut down or something happened to the 'owners'. No owner responded and the volunteer 'admins' (moderators) lacked any actual control of the site. That is, some one responded to me and others claiming they had no idea and that they had no control either.

I wouldn't normally think anything of it except the site looked rather popular and had relatively 'good' software up to the point of problems. Perhaps, for instance, the owner had some heart attack or some other problem. It just seems odd that it would all of a sudden have such problems as such. It appeared that they also originally had some credible philosophic meets there...just another oddity that the site would go down without notice. Perhaps the PhilosophyNow owners, and the magazine staff, could seek to see what might be the case if they have some interconnected relations with other site owners?

In fact Scott, there is a connection between PF and PN because I spotted Rick Lewis over at PF.

PhilX

If it is what I mentioned above, note to any entities doing this, that THEY ARE ONE OF THE CAUSES of contemporary economic problems world-wide lately. The power of corporations lately is apparently using tactics that are creating very REAL monopolies. And the nature of stock holders to be 'hidden' makes it likely that there are common ownership powers behind this.

Lately here (Saskatoon,SK, Canada), our SUPPLY quality everywhere has been reduced absurdly. Things that people seem to demand MORE are being completely taken OFF the shelf and leaving less quality AND higher prices that we all are FORCED to pay. This is NOT the intended 'free market' ideal of Adam Smith's Invisible Hand. It appears we have had a PIVOT in the last few years to this.

I'm so frustrated that I boycott those products and services that appear to be doing this. Others are doing this too and what IS contributing to the economic problems. If THIS site's owners are doing this too, note THAT you are contributing to this and it WON'T be profitable in the end. I'm was a long-time television viewer and am about to turn it off because it has been completely monopolized and the quality reduced to severe crap. [I'm digressing and so this SHOULD be a separate thread, though]

[Scott Mayers]

Several people were banned for objecting to that thread, and arguing against it, by Scott who is something of a compulsive obsessive with a lack of emotional empathy.

Were ad hominem attacks used in arguing against the thread, resulting in the ban? No one's going to be banned for saying "I strongly object to x due to y".

I recall some thread opened about this topic but it was trivial to me and I believe I only posted a RESPONSE once to something. I don't recall though what it even was. But I DO have contention with the common abuses of governments lately to justify wholesale omnibus laws taking away our rights to access and privacy on the Internet. They SEEK specific issues, like 'child pornography' cases or, lately here, they sought one issue of a kid who was 'bullied' and eventually killed herself, to trigger just such laws to VIOLATE the public's right to privacy AND ACCESS (censorship, that is!).
Maybe Hobbes could enlighten us to what precisely that topic was again?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Someone from here recommended I check this site out before. I signed up and then a few months ago, it simply deteriorated as though the 'owners' died and some bugs have been slowly consuming it. I am asking only to determine if anyone actually had also been signed up there and if they experienced the same problems. I need to determine if that site was never real in the first place or some scam.

It is located at: http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

You can get in, but it says you have no permission when trying to see any postings, etc.

I used to post there.
And it is no longer working properly, this is a shame since it was the best of the four main ones.
If you are the Scott who owns one of the others then you might do well to not bother posting any paedophile stuff, since we are able to criticise it here.

What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm the ONLY one I'm aware of using my name anywhere. So please explain yourself.

I asked if you were the Scott that owns the other Forum, as was quite plain from what I said.
So what the fuck are you getting upset about. Either you are, or you are not.
Scott is common enough.