we live in the best of all possible worlds

JasonPalmer · **Joined:** Sun May 08, 2011 7:10 pm **Posts:** 172

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

tbieter · **Posted:** Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:40 pm

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

But consider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yvUHg6i ... re=related

Resha Caner · **Posted:** Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:35 pm

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

Um. But aren't you trying to change people who want to change things? Shouldn't you just accept that they want to change things?

bus2bondi · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:08 am **Posts:** 2863

what would be the best of all possible worlds?

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

You lack imagination and need to get a life.
We live far from the best possible situation.

Grendel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:08 pm

tbieter wrote:

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

But consider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yvUHg6i ... re=related

I'm definately gong to have to read more Schopenhaur.

tbieter · **Posted:** Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:20 pm

Grendel wrote:

tbieter wrote:

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

But consider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yvUHg6i ... re=related

I'm definately gong to have to read more Schopenhaur.

You can download Amazon's Kindle app to your PC. Then search for Schopenhauer works. I got and read "On the Suffering of the World" for free. I highly recommend it. Yesterday I downloaded for free "Studies in Pessimism". I want to slowly read "On Noise" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3e7MhH ... re=related Schopenhauer is a great stylist, which is a rare compliment when referring to philosophers as writers.

bus2bondi · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:08 am **Posts:** 2863

i was at court today and Fox News was there. i was beggogled why Fox News was there. They are building a brand new court house and jail, that might be why?

Bernard · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 758

Nietzsche of course dealt with Schopenhauer pessimism by revolving the world in an endless cycle with his eternal return of this worst of all possible worlds, and it becomes the best of all possible worlds for him by doing so. How so? Because he is then forced to face the world without hope of ever being extracted from it. This is why N is not fundamentally a nihilist: at least you have being!

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Bernard wrote:

Nietzsche of course dealt with Schopenhauer pessimism by revolving the world in an endless cycle with his eternal return of this worst of all possible worlds, and it becomes the best of all possible worlds for him by doing so. How so? Because he is then forced to face the world without hope of ever being extracted from it. This is why N is not fundamentally a nihilist: at least you have being!

That is probably to oddest interpretation of the eternal recurrence I've heard.

Grendel · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:42 am

Bernard wrote:

Nietzsche of course dealt with Schopenhauer pessimism by revolving the world in an endless cycle with his eternal return of this worst of all possible worlds, and it becomes the best of all possible worlds for him by doing so. How so? Because he is then forced to face the world without hope of ever being extracted from it. This is why N is not fundamentally a nihilist: at least you have being!

Nietzsche noted when Schopenhauer judged it the worst of all possible worlds he was making a moral judgement about the ills happening of the world, so if you get rid of this morality it is no-longer a bad world.

marjoramblues · **Joined:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:37 am **Posts:** 257

tbieter wrote:

JasonPalmer wrote:

people should stop trying to change things

acceptance is the way

But consider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yvUHg6i ... re=related

Thanks, tbieter, for that - 'black humour' I like, and have downloaded the freebies, yay

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Grendel wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Nietzsche of course dealt with Schopenhauer pessimism by revolving the world in an endless cycle with his eternal return of this worst of all possible worlds, and it becomes the best of all possible worlds for him by doing so. How so? Because he is then forced to face the world without hope of ever being extracted from it. This is why N is not fundamentally a nihilist: at least you have being!

Nietzsche noted when Schopenhauer judged it the worst of all possible worlds he was making a moral judgement about the ills happening of the world, so if you get rid of this morality it is no-longer a bad world.

No, it does not mean it is no longer a bad world, Nietzsche insists that the existence of 'evil' and 'good' as essential qualities, absolute and universally understood was bogus.
That does not mean that things cannot be bad. Any one can judge a thing to be bad or good as they see fit.
Nietzsche is not freeing us of judgement, but of a universally imposed morality from authority.

Grendel · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:43 pm

chaz wyman wrote:

Grendel wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Nietzsche of course dealt with Schopenhauer pessimism by revolving the world in an endless cycle with his eternal return of this worst of all possible worlds, and it becomes the best of all possible worlds for him by doing so. How so? Because he is then forced to face the world without hope of ever being extracted from it. This is why N is not fundamentally a nihilist: at least you have being!

Nietzsche noted when Schopenhauer judged it the worst of all possible worlds he was making a moral judgement about the ills happening of the world, so if you get rid of this morality it is no-longer a bad world.

No, it does not mean it is no longer a bad world, Nietzsche insists that the existence of 'evil' and 'good' as essential qualities, absolute and universally understood was bogus.
That does not mean that things cannot be bad. Any one can judge a thing to be bad or good as they see fit.
Nietzsche is not freeing us of judgement, but of a universally imposed morality from authority.

No, Nietzsche is criticising Schopenhauer for making his judgement based on the slave morality, his Uberman who has overcome the slave morality and made his own values will no-longer see it as the worst of all worlds because he is no longer using the slave morality.

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Grendel wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

Grendel wrote:

Nietzsche noted when Schopenhauer judged it the worst of all possible worlds he was making a moral judgement about the ills happening of the world, so if you get rid of this morality it is no-longer a bad world.

No, it does not mean it is no longer a bad world, Nietzsche insists that the existence of 'evil' and 'good' as essential qualities, absolute and universally understood was bogus.
That does not mean that things cannot be bad. Any one can judge a thing to be bad or good as they see fit.
Nietzsche is not freeing us of judgement, but of a universally imposed morality from authority.

No, Nietzsche is criticising Schopenhauer for making his judgement based on the slave morality, his Uberman who has overcome the slave morality and made his own values will no-longer see it as the worst of all worlds because he is no longer using the slave morality.

I was not commenting on Schopenhauer, but your failed attempt to understand Nietzsche.
I'll stuck by what I said:"No, it does not mean it is no longer a bad world, Nietzsche insists that the existence of 'evil' and 'good' as essential qualities, absolute and universally understood was bogus.
That does not mean that things cannot be bad. Any one can judge a thing to be bad or good as they see fit.
Nietzsche is not freeing us of judgement, but of a universally imposed morality from authority."

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