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Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:05 am

Nothing is revealed that is not already known... there really is no 'dontaskme' to reveal nor be surprised by, or opened up to 'new' knowledge.

That which is known is in awareness in the moment it is re-cognised... no 'other' is the source of this knowing.

This is by through and for Oneness... alone.

It is like reading a posting and thinking how wonderful is the composer and the computer makers and webmasters and programmers who together make this beautiful expression.

There are none of these. The message is in the reading in the moment it is read.. one alone creates this expression which itself is not 'the beauty'. (words itself are neither beautiful nor ugly) The beauty cannot be 'defined'. It is inseparable from...

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Nick_A » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:05 am
Nothing is revealed that is not already known... there really is no 'dontaskme' to reveal nor be surprised by, or opened up to 'new' knowledge.

That which is known is in awareness in the moment it is re-cognised... no 'other' is the source of this knowing.

This is by through and for Oneness... alone.

It is like reading a posting and thinking how wonderful is the composer and the computer makers and webmasters and programmers who together make this beautiful expression.

There are none of these. The message is in the reading in the moment it is read.. one alone creates this expression which itself is not 'the beauty'. (words itself are neither beautiful nor ugly) The beauty cannot be 'defined'. It is inseparable from...

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Does your philosophy accept eternity as a reality or is knowing limited to temporary experiences?

For me, existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time. A person's life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or eternity. A person's life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities most of which have not yet happened: the sixth dimension

If eternity is a continuum it means the future has already taken place? From this perspective we don't create the present but rather remember it as we can remember the future.

Who remembers their life in eternity? From what I've read of Buddha, I believe he did. He didn't create knowledge, he remembered it. Only conscious change, through a change in eternities is possible. Everything is as you say, just random experiences of what has already taken place.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Harbal » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:41 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 am


For me, existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time. A person's life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or eternity. A person's life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities most of which have not yet happened: the sixth dimension

If eternity is a continuum it means the future has already taken place? From this perspective we don't create the present but rather remember it as we can remember the future.

Who remembers their life in eternity? From what I've read of Buddha, I believe he did. He didn't create knowledge, he remembered it. Only conscious change, through a change in eternities is possible. Everything is as you say, just random experiences of what has already taken place.
How brave of you, Nick. Most people would be too embarrassed to admit to thinking this kind of clap trap.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dubious » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:40 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 am
Only conscious change, through a change in eternities is possible. Everything is as you say, just random experiences of what has already taken place.
You have to be conscious to realize a conscious change; an eternity is somewhat longer than my patience would last. I'd be tempted to use the Beetlejuice gambit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWXwuhboZpA

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:46 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 am
Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:05 am
Nothing is revealed that is not already known... there really is no 'dontaskme' to reveal nor be surprised by, or opened up to 'new' knowledge.

That which is known is in awareness in the moment it is re-cognised... no 'other' is the source of this knowing.

This is by through and for Oneness... alone.

It is like reading a posting and thinking how wonderful is the composer and the computer makers and webmasters and programmers who together make this beautiful expression.

There are none of these. The message is in the reading in the moment it is read.. one alone creates this expression which itself is not 'the beauty'. (words itself are neither beautiful nor ugly) The beauty cannot be 'defined'. It is inseparable from...

.
Does your philosophy accept eternity as a reality or is knowing limited to temporary experiences?

For me, existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time. A person's life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or eternity. A person's life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities most of which have not yet happened: the sixth dimension

If eternity is a continuum it means the future has already taken place? From this perspective we don't create the present but rather remember it as we can remember the future.

Who remembers their life in eternity? From what I've read of Buddha, I believe he did. He didn't create knowledge, he remembered it. Only conscious change, through a change in eternities is possible. Everything is as you say, just random experiences of what has already taken place.
Nick, this is genius, I love it. I think exactly the same thoughts you have written here, wow. I don't feel alone in thinking those thoughts now. Thanks for sharing here. I agree with everything you've said.

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This is eternal knowing remembering itself as it unfolds in limited space & time duality. Duality is the out-workings of the infinite realm within.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by surreptitious57 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:46 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Nothing is revealed that is not already known ... there really is no dontaskme to reveal nor be surprised by or opened up to new knowledge
Do you mean all future knowledge is known by Mind which knows every
thing and when humans gain any new knowledge it is only new to them

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by surreptitious57 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:02 pm

Nick wrote:
For me existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time
A persons life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or
eternity. A persons life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities
most of which have not yet happened : the sixth dimension
This sounds very much like the Everett Many Worlds Hypothesis

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Nick_A » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:00 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:02 pm
Nick wrote:
For me existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time
A persons life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or
eternity. A persons life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities
most of which have not yet happened : the sixth dimension
This sounds very much like the Everett Many Worlds Hypothesis
Yes. Modern multiverse theory is what I know of as the sixth dimension.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:34 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:46 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Nothing is revealed that is not already known ... there really is no dontaskme to reveal nor be surprised by or opened up to new knowledge
Do you mean all future knowledge is known by Mind which knows every
thing and when humans gain any new knowledge it is only new to them
Kind of yeah..but note there is only now.

All knowledge exists NOW in the 4th dimension..aka in (timeless invisible space) where the collective thoughts of every conceivable thought that's ever been thought throughout eternity reside permanently. The 3rd Dimension is where thought is frozen as congealed matter a much denser dimension.

There is only the NOW....here now nowhere is where every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously.

A dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by marjoram_blues » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:34 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:46 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Nothing is revealed that is not already known ... there really is no dontaskme to reveal nor be surprised by or opened up to new knowledge
Do you mean all future knowledge is known by Mind which knows every
thing and when humans gain any new knowledge it is only new to them
Kind of yeah..but note there is only now.

All knowledge exists NOW in the 4th dimension..aka in (timeless invisible space) where the collective thoughts of every conceivable thought that's ever been thought throughout eternity reside permanently. The 3rd Dimension is where thought is frozen as congealed matter a much denser dimension.

There is only the NOW....here now nowhere is where every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously.

A dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

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What were you saying about having no claims, and only knowing by looking inside yourself.
Just listen to yourself, above. I'm hearing...

You making statements about various dimensions of Consciousness:
A claim that: all knowledge exists in the now in the 4th dimension...
A claim that: a dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

This kind of knowledge/claim with its specialised terminology is found online, on various websites.
For example - googling the 6th dimension, it links to 'Universal Spiritual View'.
So, not so very 'intuitive'; all such thoughts have an origin. You might think it God, or some One-ness. However, the terminology used here has been internalized from the external world.

You should at least follow the Honesty you quite rightly value, but seem only to see in others who share your view, or are beautiful and sweet to you. And cite the specialist sources.

Philosophy is not an either/or. It isn't either academic/professional or intuitive/amateur.
Ordinary people can philosophise to their heart's content, in a real or virtual bar.
The important thing is to be able to justify your view with reasons.
I believe [ X ] because of 1. 2. 3.
That way people don't have to read your mind but there can be a dialogue or discussion.
All our beliefs, or ways of looking at the world, can and should be open to challenge by self and others.

Philosophy or other kinds of critical analysis can provide laser sharp tools to carefully examine and cut through - without harm; that is unless our sense of self is fragile or vulnerable and then the light might open some cracks and the worldview is shattered. That is not always the best outcome; so that kind of analytical philosophy is not for all.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Nick_A » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:30 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:46 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:41 am
Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:05 am
Nothing is revealed that is not already known... there really is no 'dontaskme' to reveal nor be surprised by, or opened up to 'new' knowledge.

That which is known is in awareness in the moment it is re-cognised... no 'other' is the source of this knowing.

This is by through and for Oneness... alone.

It is like reading a posting and thinking how wonderful is the composer and the computer makers and webmasters and programmers who together make this beautiful expression.

There are none of these. The message is in the reading in the moment it is read.. one alone creates this expression which itself is not 'the beauty'. (words itself are neither beautiful nor ugly) The beauty cannot be 'defined'. It is inseparable from...

.
Does your philosophy accept eternity as a reality or is knowing limited to temporary experiences?

For me, existence begins in the fourth dimension or the first dimension of space time. The fourth dimension is a point in time. A person's life is more than one point but virtually infinite points in time strung together like a line. It is the fifth dimension or eternity. A person's life is in eternity. Existence is not limited to one eternity but rather a virtual infinity of potential eternities most of which have not yet happened: the sixth dimension

If eternity is a continuum it means the future has already taken place? From this perspective we don't create the present but rather remember it as we can remember the future.

Who remembers their life in eternity? From what I've read of Buddha, I believe he did. He didn't create knowledge, he remembered it. Only conscious change, through a change in eternities is possible. Everything is as you say, just random experiences of what has already taken place.
Nick, this is genius, I love it. I think exactly the same thoughts you have written here, wow. I don't feel alone in thinking those thoughts now. Thanks for sharing here. I agree with everything you've said.

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This is eternal knowing remembering itself as it unfolds in limited space & time duality. Duality is the out-workings of the infinite realm within.

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Would it be OK to ask what has caused you to experience in this way? Are you involved with "A Course in Miracles" for example? It would help me in conversing with you. If you believe that such things should be discussed privately to avoid attacks feel free to send an email and I would never write of it openly on the internet.

You are not alone. You would be surprised how many in the world are open to the experience of top down deductive reason. They value it so do not prostitute it so it is easy not to know they exist.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by surreptitious57 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
There is only the NOW here now nowhere is were every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously
This is true as the past is simply the NOW that has already happened and the future is simply the NOW that has yet to happen
But the only thing that is actually happening is the NOW. Nothing can be experienced outside of it for that is just not possible

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Vendetta » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:16 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:45 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
There is only the NOW here now nowhere is were every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously
This is true as the past is simply the NOW that has already happened and the future is simply the NOW that has yet to happen
But the only thing that is actually happening is the NOW. Nothing can be experienced outside of it for that is just not possible
If this is true, isn't it strange that we refer to concepts like the past and the future on a regular basis, even though they bear no relevance in actuality?
We live a lie because it's easier for us to grasp than the truth...I wonder in how many other facets of life we are doing the same thing?

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by ken » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:42 am

Vendetta wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:16 am
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:45 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
There is only the NOW here now nowhere is were every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously
This is true as the past is simply the NOW that has already happened and the future is simply the NOW that has yet to happen
But the only thing that is actually happening is the NOW. Nothing can be experienced outside of it for that is just not possible
If this is true, isn't it strange that we refer to concepts like the past and the future on a regular basis, even though they bear no relevance in actuality?
We live a lie because it's easier for us to grasp than the truth...I wonder in how many other facets of life we are doing the same thing?
Human beings live a lie not necessarily because it is easier for them to grasp than the truth, but because the lie, and especially to believe in the lie, is what human beings are taught from a very early age, to believe in. Human beings only know what they know from experience and if they have not experienced the truth, then they only know the lie. For example, to human beings it appears that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so human beings assumed that the sun revolves around the earth, and when this lie was believed to be true, it was then taught as a factual truth, with the belief becoming stronger. They grasped this lie, not because it was easier to grasp than the truth but because what was assumed to be true, was all that was taught. Belief obviously followed. The actual truth is truth is just as easy to be taught, learned and grasped, but people have to be open to the truth before it can even be seen and learned. In order to become open to the truth is to just stop believing what has been taught to you. What is being believed and/or assumed to be true has to be completely ignored, discarded or detached from to easily find and see the truth, which will be much easier to grasp than any lie was. There are countless facets of life where human beings have grasped onto a lie, and, hold dearly onto that belie.

For example, at present times, the lie that human beings live, which by the way is one of the biggest causes of all pollution, disputes, injustices, wars, and deaths world wide is because of the lie that we, human beings, need money to live. Depending on the definition of human beings, they have lived hundreds of millennia or even millions of years without money. A human being in present times can very easily live without money. Some "uncontacted tribes" still live without money. Money is NOT needed, but many human beings live the lie that money is needed, and for those one's who believe we, human beings, need money the longer it takes for them to learn and see the truth. Greed, the love of money is said to be the root of all evil, is not actually true. But living the lie, no matter what lie it is, and one of them being that "I am not greedy", IS the root of all evil (or wrong). Greed is actually the third in line of roots of all wrongs.

There are so many facets of life where human beings a living a lie. Another example, in the present, is where human beings have not experienced a truly peaceful and harmonious life, so some believe that that kind of life is impossible. By not experiencing some thing means that a lie can be exasperated, if it appears that some thing is not true or could never happen then that is taught as being truth, and so the lie is believed to be the actual and real truth. The truth is it is very easy to grasp the truth like how to live a truly peaceful and harmonious life with everyone. But because people have only experienced the opposite they have grasped onto, believe in, and dearly hold onto that lie.

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Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:51 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:34 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:46 pm


Do you mean all future knowledge is known by Mind which knows every
thing and when humans gain any new knowledge it is only new to them
Kind of yeah..but note there is only now.

All knowledge exists NOW in the 4th dimension..aka in (timeless invisible space) where the collective thoughts of every conceivable thought that's ever been thought throughout eternity reside permanently. The 3rd Dimension is where thought is frozen as congealed matter a much denser dimension.

There is only the NOW....here now nowhere is where every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously.

A dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

Image
What were you saying about having no claims, and only knowing by looking inside yourself.
Just listen to yourself, above. I'm hearing...

You making statements about various dimensions of Consciousness:
A claim that: all knowledge exists in the now in the 4th dimension...
A claim that: a dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

This kind of knowledge/claim with its specialised terminology is found online, on various websites.
For example - googling the 6th dimension, it links to 'Universal Spiritual View'.
So, not so very 'intuitive'; all such thoughts have an origin. You might think it God, or some One-ness. However, the terminology used here has been internalized from the external world.

You should at least follow the Honesty you quite rightly value, but seem only to see in others who share your view, or are beautiful and sweet to you. And cite the specialist sources.

Philosophy is not an either/or. It isn't either academic/professional or intuitive/amateur.
Ordinary people can philosophise to their heart's content, in a real or virtual bar.
The important thing is to be able to justify your view with reasons.
I believe [ X ] because of 1. 2. 3.
That way people don't have to read your mind but there can be a dialogue or discussion.
All our beliefs, or ways of looking at the world, can and should be open to challenge by self and others.

Philosophy or other kinds of critical analysis can provide laser sharp tools to carefully examine and cut through - without harm; that is unless our sense of self is fragile or vulnerable and then the light might open some cracks and the worldview is shattered. That is not always the best outcome; so that kind of analytical philosophy is not for all.
No one knows itself.

Q: Who's make the claim to know itself? - A: No one.

There's just plain old ''ONE WITH THE KNOWING'' ...no claim, no blame, no fame.

If you try to know from the perspective of the ''named character marjoram_blues'' ..then this one isn't going to know anything, since this character is already known by the dreamer which cannot be known by the character, that which is already known cannot know anything, a dream character doesn't actually exist...I don't know if you've ever tried asking the characters in your dreams at night how they know knowledge.. it's a bit difficult to get an answer from them.


It's tricky, yet it's very simple, I hope your head is not spinning too much by now, but then, the intellect doesn't do simple, thus I'm told, so it might have a problem solving this one piece jigsaw...not that it can't be done, but the name tag has to go... has to die first, else it gets in it's own way and can't see the wood for the trees.

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