Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Known unknowns and unknown unknowns!

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:11 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:30 pm

Would it be OK to ask what has caused you to experience in this way? Are you involved with "A Course in Miracles" for example? It would help me in conversing with you. If you believe that such things should be discussed privately to avoid attacks feel free to send an email and I would never write of it openly on the internet.
Hi Nick, I don't mind the attacks Nick, these attacks have been happening to me for a long time now from other forums, even on nonduality forums, so I'm used to it, it's all water off a ducks back to me anyway...I've never bothered with "A Course in Miracles" but I have heard of them. I started having non-dual glimpses from around the age of 7 years old, it came naturally to me...But I didn't have a real full blown awakening until a few decades later, so I was a bit of a late starter at reaching that final 'Ah Ha' moment when the penny finally dropped. I do like to listen to Mooji, and Lisa Cairns on Youtube though...only because I like relaxing in the company of the beloved, and these two really know how to say it.
Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:30 pm
You are not alone. You would be surprised how many in the world are open to the experience of top down deductive reason. They value it so do not prostitute it so it is easy not to know they exist.
I'm not sure what you mean by this bit Nick... '' They value it so do not prostitute it so it is easy not to know they exist.''

Anyway, it's really nice to know you Nick, even though we've never met, it's nice to see a like mind here at the PNF. :D

.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:36 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:45 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
There is only the NOW here now nowhere is were every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously
This is true as the past is simply the NOW that has already happened and the future is simply the NOW that has yet to happen
But the only thing that is actually happening is the NOW. Nothing can be experienced outside of it for that is just not possible
Yes, that's right, there is no internal or external of NOW...just as there is no beginning nor ending of NOW. There isn't any between now and now.

All things are predetermined by everything that has come before it. Everything, even our thoughts, are a cosmic convergence.

.

What is apparently happening right now is not happening. Infinity cannot happen.

.

marjoram_blues
Posts: 1579
Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by marjoram_blues » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:33 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:51 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:34 pm


Kind of yeah..but note there is only now.

All knowledge exists NOW in the 4th dimension..aka in (timeless invisible space) where the collective thoughts of every conceivable thought that's ever been thought throughout eternity reside permanently. The 3rd Dimension is where thought is frozen as congealed matter a much denser dimension.

There is only the NOW....here now nowhere is where every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously.

A dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

Image
What were you saying about having no claims, and only knowing by looking inside yourself.
Just listen to yourself, above. I'm hearing...

You making statements about various dimensions of Consciousness:
A claim that: all knowledge exists in the now in the 4th dimension...
A claim that: a dimension is just a particular vibration of Consciousness.

This kind of knowledge/claim with its specialised terminology is found online, on various websites.
For example - googling the 6th dimension, it links to 'Universal Spiritual View'.
So, not so very 'intuitive'; all such thoughts have an origin. You might think it God, or some One-ness. However, the terminology used here has been internalized from the external world.

You should at least follow the Honesty you quite rightly value, but seem only to see in others who share your view, or are beautiful and sweet to you. And cite the specialist sources.

Philosophy is not an either/or. It isn't either academic/professional or intuitive/amateur.
Ordinary people can philosophise to their heart's content, in a real or virtual bar.
The important thing is to be able to justify your view with reasons.
I believe [ X ] because of 1. 2. 3.
That way people don't have to read your mind but there can be a dialogue or discussion.
All our beliefs, or ways of looking at the world, can and should be open to challenge by self and others.

Philosophy or other kinds of critical analysis can provide laser sharp tools to carefully examine and cut through - without harm; that is unless our sense of self is fragile or vulnerable and then the light might open some cracks and the worldview is shattered. That is not always the best outcome; so that kind of analytical philosophy is not for all.
No one knows itself.

Q: Who's make the claim to know itself? - A: No one.

There's just plain old ''ONE WITH THE KNOWING'' ...no claim, no blame, no fame.

If you try to know from the perspective of the ''named character marjoram_blues'' ..then this one isn't going to know anything, since this character is already known by the dreamer which cannot be known by the character, that which is already known cannot know anything, a dream character doesn't actually exist...I don't know if you've ever tried asking the characters in your dreams at night how they know knowledge.. it's a bit difficult to get an answer from them.


It's tricky, yet it's very simple, I hope your head is not spinning too much by now, but then, the intellect doesn't do simple, thus I'm told, so it might have a problem solving this one piece jigsaw...not that it can't be done, but the name tag has to go... has to die first, else it gets in it's own way and can't see the wood for the trees.

.
:lol:
The title of this thread should be 'Ignorance...ignoring inconvenient questions'
You exhibit a high degree.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:47 am

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:33 am


:lol:
The title of this thread should be 'Ignorance...ignoring inconvenient questions'
You exhibit a high degree.
This thread is a discussion about the subject of Nonduality.

Nonduality is the ONE question to ALL our answers. There is no knower, there is only Knowing. You already have the answer to your own questions else the question could and would not be able to arise. You are not the knower you are the known and that is all you know.

No one outside of you can give you answers to questions that you yourself don't already have, if they can, then the only question you must ask yourself is where are they getting the answers from, that I haven't got?


You have your own threads dealing with your own preoccupation.
Please let me have mine. :lol:

.

marjoram_blues
Posts: 1579
Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by marjoram_blues » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:02 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:47 am
marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:33 am


:lol:
The title of this thread should be 'Ignorance...ignoring inconvenient questions'
You exhibit a high degree.
This thread is a discussion about the subject of Nonduality.

Nonduality is the ONE question to ALL our answers. There is no knower, there is only Knowing. You already have the answer to your own questions else the question could and would not be able to arise. You are not the knower you are the known and that is all you know.

No one outside of you can give you answers to questions that you yourself don't already have, if they can, then the only question you must ask yourself is where are they getting the answers from, that I haven't got?


You have your own threads dealing with your own preoccupation.
Please let me have mine. :lol:

.
You do have yours. I am sorry that you see my participation in it as a hijacking. I think you you know it isn't and are trying to be clever.

This is further avoidance of citing your sources of specialist terminology. I think this dishonest and perhaps what Nick was implying earlier ( but again it lacked clarity ).
If it is to be of value to others, you need to share.
Since you are unwilling, then I will leave the thread.

BTW, I am not permanently preoccupied with humanism, it is a temporary exploratory thread. You are welcome to join in.
If I ever make philosophical claims I would have to be able and willing to support them with clear reasons, and cite any sources.
That is just good practice.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:35 am

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:02 am

You do have yours. I am sorry that you see my participation in it as a hijacking. I think you you know it isn't and are trying to be clever.

This is further avoidance of citing your sources of specialist terminology. I think this dishonest and perhaps what Nick was implying earlier ( but again it lacked clarity ).
If it is to be of value to others, you need to share.
Since you are unwilling, then I will leave the thread.

BTW, I am not permanently preoccupied with humanism, it is a temporary exploratory thread. You are welcome to join in.
If I ever make philosophical claims I would have to be able and willing to support them with clear reasons, and cite any sources.
That is just good practice.
I'm not making any claims, I'm showing that there is no one to make a claim, which you seem to reject, not my problem if you want to remain in the claim game.

And now you bring Nick into the mix to try and justify your misguided irrational projections about the purpose of this thread being dishonest..what the fuck are you talking about?...dishonest about what exactly? my sources are from the source itself..where else am I going to get it from, surely you don't think inside a can of baked beans?

Why would people want to look for value in others peoples ideas, unless they feel they are lacking it in themselves?

Stop trying to justify yourself to me, I do not exist except in your own imagination, you are inventing me, because without you there is no me, and without me there is no you.

Be yourself, the real fictional character.

Bye for now, sorry you are leaving so soon, I really hate to see you go, but I love to watch you leave. :D

.

marjoram_blues
Posts: 1579
Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by marjoram_blues » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:06 pm

DAM, I have tried to explain to you upthread and failed. You don't take time to read that which you don't want to hear. Or from someone who you see as an 'attacker'.

In philosophy, it is known as raising objections, or asking for clarification re terms. That way, the discussion can progress civilly with to and fro responses.

I only brought Nick into my response (unwillingly) as you seemed earlier to be confused as to his meaning. I think it was about the need to honestly provide the external sources to your internalized terminology. And to give credit where it is due. He wanted to know where you got your ideas from and promised not to make it public. If I'm wrong, so be it.


I realise that this is getting us both nowhere fast and we both have lives outwith this place, I am letting it be.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:34 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:06 pm
DAM, I have tried to explain to you upthread and failed. You don't take time to read that which you don't want to hear. Or from someone who you see as an 'attacker'.

In philosophy, it is known as raising objections, or asking for clarification re terms. That way, the discussion can progress civilly with to and fro responses.

I only brought Nick into my response (unwillingly) as you seemed earlier to be confused as to his meaning. I think it was about the need to honestly provide the external sources to your internalized terminology. And to give credit where it is due. He wanted to know where you got your ideas from and promised not to make it public. If I'm wrong, so be it.


I realise that this is getting us both nowhere fast and we both have lives outwith this place, I am letting it be.
I've already told you and others where I get my source from, but you only want to hear what you want to hear. I was seven years old when I started to become self aware, and it was then when I discovered the source of this self awareness....and knew instantly it wasn't who I really am.

Also, I've been posting here for some years now, and I don't see anyone else attacking...only you...Harbal did have a go once, but gave up.

If someone is going to attack me for just being myself, that can think for itself, then I'm going to attack back even harder, that's just the nature of the beast.

.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:38 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:06 pm

In philosophy, it is known as raising objections, or asking for clarification re terms. That way, the discussion can progress civilly with to and fro responses.
That's what I'm doing, can't you see...I too am raising objections to what is believed to be real truth. It's just that when I do it...for some reason it's not right, or it's wrong, but I don't have to clarify my truth, I know what is truth and can show it to others, so it's not my problem if people want to object or reject what I'm showing.

On who's authority is an objection made anyway? what are we supposed to be objecting about?

.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:42 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:06 pm

In philosophy, it is known as raising objections, or asking for clarification re terms. That way, the discussion can progress civilly with to and fro responses.

What you mean how the way you ousted Ken off your thread the way you did, as if he had no business on there?

The eyes of truth are always watching.

Don't make this one rule for one and another rule for...

.

marjoram_blues
Posts: 1579
Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by marjoram_blues » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:54 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:34 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:06 pm
DAM, I have tried to explain to you upthread and failed. You don't take time to read that which you don't want to hear. Or from someone who you see as an 'attacker'.

In philosophy, it is known as raising objections, or asking for clarification re terms. That way, the discussion can progress civilly with to and fro responses.

I only brought Nick into my response (unwillingly) as you seemed earlier to be confused as to his meaning. I think it was about the need to honestly provide the external sources to your internalized terminology. And to give credit where it is due. He wanted to know where you got your ideas from and promised not to make it public. If I'm wrong, so be it.


I realise that this is getting us both nowhere fast and we both have lives outwith this place, I am letting it be.
I've already told you and others where I get my source from, but you only want to hear what you want to hear. I was seven years old when I started to become self aware, and it was then when I discovered the source of this self awareness....and knew instantly it wasn't who I really am.

Also, I've been posting here for some years now, and I don't see anyone else attacking...only you...Harbal did have a go once, but gave up.

If someone is going to attack me for just being myself, that can think for itself, then I'm going to attack back even harder, that's just the nature of the beast.

.
One last go...
I don't know if you are deliberately misunderstanding my intent or simply see everything I write as a personal attack on yourself.

It is not about where, when or how you discovered the source of self awareness. I get that.

I am trying to understand where you discovered the terminology you use. That only comes from accessing other sources e.g. online materials.

I hope that you can see this is not a personal attack.
However, if you still view it as such then I will not engage further.

[ before submitting this post, I see you have written more...
Disengaging now ]

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:17 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:54 pm

I am trying to understand where you discovered the terminology you use. That only comes from accessing other sources e.g. online materials.

I hope that you can see this is not a personal attack.
However, if you still view it as such then I will not engage further.

[ before submitting this post, I see you have written more...
Disengaging now ]
There is no other source than within yourself. Online sources is the immutable self store house of all information, it's called the Inner-net.



You keep saying you are disengaging but you'll keep coming back until clarity dawns. The mind wants to know stuff, it's it's nature, it can't stop being a busy body.

.

Nick_A
Posts: 1862
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:23 am

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Nick_A » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:43 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:11 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:30 pm

Would it be OK to ask what has caused you to experience in this way? Are you involved with "A Course in Miracles" for example? It would help me in conversing with you. If you believe that such things should be discussed privately to avoid attacks feel free to send an email and I would never write of it openly on the internet.
Hi Nick, I don't mind the attacks Nick, these attacks have been happening to me for a long time now from other forums, even on nonduality forums, so I'm used to it, it's all water off a ducks back to me anyway...I've never bothered with "A Course in Miracles" but I have heard of them. I started having non-dual glimpses from around the age of 7 years old, it came naturally to me...But I didn't have a real full blown awakening until a few decades later, so I was a bit of a late starter at reaching that final 'Ah Ha' moment when the penny finally dropped. I do like to listen to Mooji, and Lisa Cairns on Youtube though...only because I like relaxing in the company of the beloved, and these two really know how to say it.
Nick_A wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:30 pm
You are not alone. You would be surprised how many in the world are open to the experience of top down deductive reason. They value it so do not prostitute it so it is easy not to know they exist.
I'm not sure what you mean by this bit Nick... '' They value it so do not prostitute it so it is easy not to know they exist.''

Anyway, it's really nice to know you Nick, even though we've never met, it's nice to see a like mind here at the PNF. :D

.
I mean that many dislike diminishing the sacred in themselves by reacting to negative emotions. It doesn't seem right. Some would not like to take their mother into a rowdy nasty bar because they value their mother and what she means. They do not want to prostitute this awareness by cheapening it. People will act with respect in a church or a Buddhist Sangha for example because of what they represent.

Do colors exist from a non-dual perspective?
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: “Colors are light's suffering and joy”
We know white light exists as the purest expression of light but do the lawful vibratory devolutions of light we experience as colors exist in reality?

Walker
Posts: 4021
Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:00 am

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Walker » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:13 am

Vendetta wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:16 am
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:45 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
There is only the NOW here now nowhere is were every conceivable permutation of every possible realities exist simultaneously
This is true as the past is simply the NOW that has already happened and the future is simply the NOW that has yet to happen
But the only thing that is actually happening is the NOW. Nothing can be experienced outside of it for that is just not possible
If this is true, isn't it strange that we refer to concepts like the past and the future on a regular basis, even though they bear no relevance in actuality?
We live a lie because it's easier for us to grasp than the truth...I wonder in how many other facets of life we are doing the same thing?
What one knows of past consciousness is a memory, known only in the present.
What one knows of future consciousness is an inference, only inferred in the present.

When speaking of the past and future, folks are remembering and inferring, whether or not they know it.

This is how the three times only exist now.

Dontaskme
Posts: 3040
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Re: Ignorance... ignoring that which is known.

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:01 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:43 am

I mean that many dislike diminishing the sacred in themselves by reacting to negative emotions. It doesn't seem right. Some would not like to take their mother into a rowdy nasty bar because they value their mother and what she means. They do not want to prostitute this awareness by cheapening it. People will act with respect in a church or a Buddhist Sangha for example because of what they represent.
Thanks Nick, I see what you mean, but I don't look at it from that point of view. I don't take that rigid stance, I don't see anything wrong with getting down and dirty ...after all, the pigs rather enjoy their jolly mud slinging romps from what I've experienced.
Nick_A wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:43 am
Do colors exist from a non-dual perspective?
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: “Colors are light's suffering and joy”
We know white light exists as the purest expression of light but do the lawful vibratory devolutions of light we experience as colors exist in reality?
No they don't. It's all Black and White with infinite shades of grey inbetween.

.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests