A_Seagull wrote:For something to be true, it must be believed to be true.
Well, some of the more outré interpretations of quantum mechanics would support that view; but on the macroscopic scale, it is difficult to believe, for instance, that it is only since the Copernican revolution that the Sun has been at the centre of the solar system.
A_Seagull wrote:And certainly most people would believe your two points to be true.
They would be mad not to. You raise a point though: it is not that 'something' is an absolute truth, in that it could not be the case that there wasn't a universe, rather the statement "There is not nothing", or as Impenitent more elegantly puts it, "There is something" cannot be uttered without it being necessarily true.
A_Seagull wrote:However I am not sure how one progresses from 'true' to 'absolutely true'.
One doesn't. The idea that Parmenides and Descartes shared is as follows:
A_Seagull wrote:That said those two 'truths' make an excellent foundation for philosophy. The task is then to build upon those in a rigorous fashion to create a picture of the world.
The empirical data in ancient Greece was very limited and within a few steps, Parmenides was talking utter nonsense. Descartes had the advantage of telescopes and microscopes, so he was better able to confirm or falsify what he thought, but he still had to invoke 'god' to furnish him with "clear and distinct ideas".
A_Seagull wrote:Too much of philosophy is based upon fantasies and opinions that have no firm foundations. Discussions about those fantasies and opinions create a lot of hot air, but without sound foundations, that is all they produce.
The problem is there are no other absolute truths. Even the foundations of mathematics are axiomatic. Euclid picked up Parmenides idea and wrote The Elements, 13 books based on 5 axioms and arguably the most influential book on maths there will ever be. Even the US Declaration of Independence starts "We hold these truths to be self evident..." Very little philosophy is about the logic of the main argument; any philosopher you have heard of (and is taken seriously, I should add) will know their way around a syllogism. What is usually in question is whether the premises are 'true'. There is now more 'non-Euclidean' geometry than you can shake a stick at, and if you can show me a Conservative/Republican politician who believes "all men are created equal", I will show you a backbencher.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:As to thinking, I would go so far as to say that it's not necessarily you doing the thinking. That just because it seems to originate in your head, does not mean it doesn't come from somewhere else.Until science absolutely nails down consciousness,
Bit of a way to go with that one.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:I find myself wondering otherwise.
Who knows?